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Kai_ESR t1_itpgf7w wrote

Reply to comment by SquashedKiwifruit in As Hungary Decries EU Sanctions, Ukraine Says Without It, Russian Tanks Will Reach Budapest by Heavy-Ad6366

You can't force countries to leave the EU or NATO. Sadly, because it's something both organizations need right now

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SquashedKiwifruit t1_itpgmp9 wrote

I’m sure they could find a way if they tried.

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Zafara1 t1_itpxh6m wrote

NATO was specifically made for that not to be possible. So that countries couldn't be bumped out and offered up to appease an aggressor.

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Kai_ESR t1_itph0kt wrote

If it comes to it it will have to be more like "all our decision will be against your interests until you leave", not an outright "you are out of the club"

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james_d_rustles t1_its3cdi wrote

Don’t Orban and his government decry how evil/terrible the EU is already? What’s stopping them from leaving on their accord?

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flamehead2k1 t1_itsfa89 wrote

>What’s stopping them from leaving on their accord?

Then they wouldn't have as much to whine about and campaign on.

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szypty t1_itph1iv wrote

What the fuck is CIA doing, isn't it their job to help people in such situations?

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prettyboygangsta t1_itpitvl wrote

by "help" do you mean astroturf a revolution and fund an armed uprising to overthrow a democratically elected leader and replace them with a more subservient one?

Yes that is their job and sadly I can see it happening to Hungary in the future.

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YouMakeMeSaaaaaad t1_itpmo42 wrote

Hungary? Democracy? What a joke

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prettyboygangsta t1_itpoygn wrote

their elections have been judged free and fair by international observers

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YouMakeMeSaaaaaad t1_itpqgim wrote

In that case, Hungarians are in dire need of a reality check. And EU are helping with that reality check with reduced funds. What's the problem?

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csiposfosas t1_itqk7x1 wrote

As is always mentioned when Hungary comes up, propaganda, botched voting, suppresion of opposing parties. Sadly a big percentage of the people easily believe it, mainly the elderly for whom the current government was deemed a saviour when the “regime change” took place back in 1989. That being said, pro-government and either directly or subtly pro-Russian narratives are the ones that get all the founding and get plastered everywhere on billboards and aired on as advertisements in the media, fabricated in a way so that it seems that these things are good for us. Non-government affiliated media has a very hard time fully spanning its wings and the application of military grade spyware (Pegasus) has also been an occurance amidst journalist who intend on shedding light on the corruption and atrocities of the current government. Young folk who are more educated have an easier time seeing through the lies and promises the government prognosticates. It was a devastating loss to many young Hungarians, counting myself, when in April the same government “somehow” got overwhelming support and won again instead of a pro-western person.

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szypty t1_itpkysq wrote

Yeah. I'm genuinely surprised that they don't seem to be up to their old tricks. They used to be so involved in places like South America or Middle East.

Has me worried what they're up to instead, you see.

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james_d_rustles t1_its48ga wrote

Really? You realize that one of our two major political parties held one of their massive events in Hungary recently, right? The first time CPAC has ever been out of the US, they held it in Hungary and invited Orban. Orban was one of the main speakers at a CPAC conference in Dallas too. They can’t get enough of the guy - they legitimately look to viktor orban for inspiration on what they’d like to do to the US.

So yeah, my point being, when half of the country’s politicians see him as a kindred spirit, I doubt they’ll be up any time soon on the list of CIA coup fuckery.

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