bertiebasit t1_ix3kpv9 wrote
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It’s a question around sovereignty. No need to get so abusive.
CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_ix3t42y wrote
No it’s not a question of sovereignty. It’s cheap whataboutism. Don’t backtrack now. There is no question that is a violation of sovereignty to conduct a strike inside someone else’s borders. The issue is whether or not that violation is justified. In the case of going after the most wanted man on the planet, whose presence Pakistan has no good excuse for not knowing, that’s justified. In the case of a displaced ethnic group whose fighting to not be genocided, and who’s only crime is being near the Turkish border, that is NOT justified.
bertiebasit t1_ix3tes9 wrote
The principle being discussed was sovereignty. The reason is irrelevant.
BirdlawIsBestLaw t1_ix4s0ar wrote
The reason is not irrelevant.
CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_ix3uh1x wrote
It’s cheap whataboutism. There is no question that is a violation of sovereignty to conduct a strike inside someone else’s borders. The issue is whether or not that violation is justified.
bertiebasit t1_ix4h3l1 wrote
Nonsense. Your trying to shoehorn your sympathy into a generic question.
CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_ix4i1ok wrote
What is the question? Was their sovereignty violated in both cases? Who’s asking that question? Who is of the mind that nobody’s sovereignty was violated? Nobody. That’s why it’s obvious that your only goal is cheap whataboutism.
bertiebasit t1_ix4ipse wrote
It was a rhetorical question with a statement. You tried to shoehorn an argument based on your sympathies. It’s irrelevant. Stop getting so hostile about it.
CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_ix4o9kc wrote
A rhetorical question meant to make what point? To attempt it make the Us look hypocritical for criticizing turkey here.
bertiebasit t1_ix51im6 wrote
Take a walk, you’re overthinking
CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_ix5448s wrote
It’s a very simple question you can’t answer. A rhetorical question meant to make what point? To attempt it make the Us look hypocritical for criticizing turkey here.
bertiebasit t1_ix5appy wrote
That the US had set a precedent.
CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_ix5kmlk wrote
…Which is what my point was all about. Just because both are instances of invading sovereign territory doesn’t mean they’re comparable at all.
BirdlawIsBestLaw t1_ix4s6vz wrote
>You tried to shoehorn an argument based on your sympathies.
That is not a valid criticism or rounds to dismiss his argument. You are avoiding his distinction because it destroys your argument.
bertiebasit t1_ix51uhy wrote
I dismissed it because it was irrelevant.
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