Logistocrate t1_iycp7ht wrote
Reply to comment by Pokethebeard in Japan court rules same-sex marriage ban is constitutional, but activists see a silver lining by bildo72
Name a western country that outlaws being gay, that beats, rapes, and executes gay people. Your whataboutisim game is weak.
*Edit: For clarification, I'm not agreeing with Japan's legal opinion on the matter. I was attempting to point out what I considered to be a hyperbolic statement more concerned with having an excuse to shit on the west than with lgbtq rights.
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Logistocrate t1_iycs8bp wrote
One that seems to have shot over your head too. So, let me break it down for you.
Unless you are going to make the argument that killing, raping, beating and jailing people for being gay is the exact same treatment as not extending same sex marriage rights in a country that otherwise has no policy towards homosexual behavior , then asking why one set of actions will get condemnation on the world stage and the other won't is more about bias towards the west than any real concern over alleged hypocrisy.
Clear enough?
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Pokethebeard t1_iycpc0v wrote
The article is about Japan's attitude on homosexuality and the west's silence on this. Keep up.
Logistocrate t1_iycr2uk wrote
The article says nothing about western views on Japans laws. You did. And asking a non related question, you open yourself to an answer. If you're going to play dumb to support your comment sections well established anti western views, that's your right here, but don't try to act like it isn't glaringly obvious what you're doing.
No western country is outraged because nothing outrageous is happening in Japan. Gay people are being tortured, raped, beaten, jailed and executed in non western countries and those actions bring condemnation from most governments that support human rights globally.
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Logistocrate t1_iyct07t wrote
It's not hyperbolic, the actions that I mention are the actions that gather outrage from western countries. Name a western country that was outraged that the US did not secure gay marriage until 2015.
I'll leave a link to Human Rights map of anti LGBTQ countries, see if you can find the interesting connection between them.
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Logistocrate t1_iyd254s wrote
And again l must point out that no western country has ever found the simple act of not recognizing same sex marriage to be outrageous. They have however, condemned all of the actions I have pointed out, actions the link explicitly points to.
Therefore when I point out the difference, I'm not saying that the behavior of one excuses the behavior of the other. I'm saying that the accusation does not hold up in the face of the facts.
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Logistocrate t1_iydeziz wrote
And there we go. You're equating my statement that the words used are incorrect to infer that I don't support my own community. Well done.
This isn't about my personal feelings on equality, it's about someone equating sovereign countries responses to violent behavior from other countries to those same countries who are not engaged in violent behavior.
So, my country (US) has a real problem with prison over population, we charge people way too often for minor infractions that then result in long sentences. Now if you were to say The US can't complain about China's over charging people and giving them long sentences, I'd agree.
But, l feel like this would be more akin to saying America is hypocritical for condemning Chinese internment of Uighors because the US also locks people up. Neither is good, but one is significantly, unequivocally worse and to say that they are equal does not comport with how I understand the world around me.
My response was tuned into what l inferred (due to the posters comment history) was the poster using gay rights as a vehicle to shit on the west, and not a serious concern with the lgbtq community in general.
I've already apologized to the poster (assuming my inference was incorrect).
Pokethebeard t1_iycst06 wrote
>No western country is outraged because nothing outrageous is happening in Japan.
So not having equal rights isn't outrageous enough for you?
Logistocrate t1_iyd1873 wrote
Ah. Ok, I see what's happening here. You are assuming that my responses imply I agree with Japan's stance. I do not. Without relying too heavily on flying any particular flag, I assure you this kind of stuff very much matters to the community I am part of.
Now, let me try to really clarify what I'm saying. Let's say, hypothetically, the WC was being held in Qatar, and Qatar's only stance on lgbtq matters was they didn't recognize same sex marriages. And let's assume the western world condemned them for it, called it outrageous behavior. Ran all of the stories we are currently seeing about it. Then today, news comes out that Japan has taken the same legal stance on not recognizing same sex marriages, but the western world withholds it's opinion on the matter.
If that were the case, I'd completely agree with your statement. My issue with your statement is that, to the best of my knowledge, no western country has ever considered the act of not recognizing or legalizing same sex marriage as outrageous. Should they is a different conversation. My personal feelings however, do not carry the weight of sovereign power statements on other countries behavior.
Your comment thread is full of anti western sentiment, and so be it. But to me, you seemed to be making more of a statement about your feelings on the west, rather than a statement on your feelings on Japan's findings. If I have read that incorrectly (and you're not just hiding behind the question you just asked) then l owe you an apology.
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