Submitted by BollocksAsBalls t3_z517my in worldnews
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topperx t1_ixtus06 wrote
This to me is still relatively short term. I would be even more worried about tossing your working age men into a meat grinder of death and disability and having them flee in large numbers across borders. What's left is the old and disabled. Imagine running that county in the future. I have no idea how to fix that other than import humans.
TheThirdOutlier t1_ixtv0ta wrote
I guess that’s where the ‘adoptions’ of vast numbers of Ukrainian children come in 😥
Accurate_Pie_ t1_ixw7hzr wrote
I cry with you
But I don’t believe those children are to be adopted. I don’t believe Russians adopt much
The children are hostages… for now… who knows what gruesome future the ruzzians plan for them
Heartbroken
KamahlYrgybly t1_ixtwwm0 wrote
Another thing to worry about is losing your biggest trade partners for at least a few decades. So even if you magically created a new workforce and magically acquired the needed materials to produce goods, you have limited customers buying the goods, and less competition among buyers means lower prices.
It really is a fantastic shitshow to behold.
kponomarenko t1_ixvo74e wrote
They still can sell oil and gas even during the war. So they definitely would be able to sell them after. You don't need to many people to pump them and that's major part of ruZZian economy.
Strong_as_an_axe t1_ixwj0l9 wrote
Yes but they've sped up the movement away from fossil fuels whilst failing to build infrastructure for new industry. They should have some of the best infrastructure in the world based on commodities revenues but a huge portion of it has been stolen and then sat on rather than reinvested in Russia.
They were set for relative contraction against other major economies before all of this anyway due to long term trends away from oil and gas, awful demographics and a lack of competitiveness in other industries. Putin has just made it all a lot worse. It's insane, full of commodities and bridging Asia and Europe. Even one halfway decent leader and Russia would be a superpower.
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Skaindire t1_ixu3c13 wrote
It doesn't have to be a lot of them. Even just a small percentage will break things. We'll see it in a year at most as the pensions will be frozen while everything else goes up.
East European countries had this problem for years after joining the EU because they kept bleeding people to the wealthier ones.
Samsquanch-01 t1_ixtxp3d wrote
Don't give them any ideas
Jeneral-Jen t1_ixvi06t wrote
That might be why they have been sending disproportionately high numbers of soldiers from remote regions and ethnic minorities. Putin knows that sending a bunch of city kids is more likely to result in an uproar. Just another shade of asshole to color Putin's character.
Accurate_Pie_ t1_ixw7aox wrote
Nah…
100 thousand men is just 0.1% of population.
topperx t1_ixw86fi wrote
300k mobilized now. Still also a somewhat relevant part of the population since they don't mobilize old people or children, total population isn't the relevant bit unless the plan is to do child labor.
Accurate_Pie_ t1_ixw9311 wrote
Yes, it’s important but that’s not what it’s going to topple them
Strengthening sanctions and following through is the key!
NightsHeron t1_ixtzxjj wrote
This is only a problem if you consider the current world order to be around in a couple of decades.
topperx t1_ixu27bl wrote
How do you see that? Either way these areas have a massive age funnel problem independent of who's running the clown car.
Ediwir t1_ixu3lwy wrote
carbon dioxide has entered the conversation
NightsHeron t1_ixu5w3h wrote
Don't get me wrong, I am totally with you. I have been pondering how a country can take such strategically bad decision. Personally I see only two reason:
A. Their decision makers have been neglecting their Sun Tzu and Machiavelli B. It's a "it's me against the world. Either now or never" scenario from their perspective (for whatever reason)
Darth_Annoying t1_ixu9t8a wrote
C. The de ision makers have started believing their own self promoting proaganda, D. All of the above
VS_Reva t1_ixu52rc wrote
10% of russian economy reduction is HUGE, but not as bad as Ukrainians (heard ~30% number somewhere), which is literally physically destroyed day by day.
Hope the 5th December embargo and the price cap will hit really hard.
Ippzz t1_ixudkhf wrote
Ukraine will definitely need a Marshall Plan to restart its economy after the war is done. Sadly, I don't think the end is near yet.
90smagic t1_ixyf7j7 wrote
Ukraine is receiving and will continue to receive support from the US and the EU. It will be rebuild, better.
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Street-Badger t1_ixua71x wrote
An iron curtain is stretching across this story .. it’s paywalled.
Flatus_Diabolic t1_ixw7zgq wrote
If you're on iOS, tap the symbol that looks like two letter As in the URL bar for Safari and pick "show reader" from the menu.
On Android, you need to enable "simplified view" in the accessibility settings for your phone. After that, it's available through Chrome when you load a page.
Desktop browsers have reader modes too. Or I assume they all do. Edge and Firefox definitely both do, and they're the only browsers I use.
Snamuhfotseizal t1_ixyqnku wrote
Thank you for your post. I've just spent a few minutes experimenting on some websites that often have a few articles behind paywalls and after doing a bit of googling about "reader mode" for my Firefox browser I found out that it is just a simple mouse-click in the address bar and all those paywalls (along with the cluttered ads and graphics) disappear. Much appreciated!
Flatus_Diabolic t1_iy17s71 wrote
high-five, fellow Firefox buddy!
Yeah, for other people reading this message who haven't found it already, if reader view is available for the page you're on, then you can enable it by clicking the the thing that looks like a book in the right hand side of the URL bar.
240kvert t1_ixy1xtm wrote
I always have the Google translate webpage opened in the browser, any sites like this you just get it to translate them - English to English, and it opens up.
tomcatkb t1_ixugxql wrote
Damn, the Iron Paywall again
240kvert t1_ixy1zuo wrote
Use Google translate webpage to "translate" it for you
izzgo t1_ixwbpa7 wrote
Here is a gifted link that should bypass the paywall. I hope.
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NotAnotherEmpire t1_ixuiar1 wrote
And Russian figures being Russian figures, all of this is understatement.
sufferingbastard t1_ixuw5i1 wrote
Decapitate Putin. Move climate refugees to Russia.
Two birds with one Himars.
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JoffreySkywalker t1_ixv7jkn wrote
I think one of the more interesting things I've read is that the sanctions on importing things to Russia have been more effective than not buying exports. This article specifically mentioned not importing technology into the economy.
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NestroyAM t1_ixvlc44 wrote
Paywalled, but if they are in trouble, the ruble seems largely unaffected still.
whyreadthis2035 t1_ixue5vs wrote
Articles like this confuse me. War takes a toll on economies. For Russia, it’s literally the cost of doing business. For Russia, this was a choice. For Ukraine this is an invasion and survival is the focus. The people will do what they must to survive and when the war ends, they will rebuild (we hope). And then there is the truckloads of money being mad arming the combatants. Not new. Gotta be done…. But, wow.
Typical-Historian-89 t1_ixunuyf wrote
Yes, the but the point of this article is that sanctions a finally taking a toll on Russia’s economy. Which will both hinder Russia’s ability to wage war and sow domestic descent. War always takes a toll but sanctions are making the toll greater than it would be otherwise.
EyeLikeTheStonk t1_ixtued8 wrote
If any other country posted those economic numbers, the entire country would be in a huge panic.