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RubberPny t1_iwvcd26 wrote

There are already a few nations, such as the Kiribati, Marshall Islands, etc that are planning total evacuations of everyone to either Australia, New Zealand or the US, due to these places being fully under water in the future. For Marshall Islands, it's a bit easier due to the Compact Free Association with the US (basically allows free movement + the ability to use some gov services).

Sorry for the tangent: the whole situation is sad and complex in the way it will need to be taken care of.


JKKIDD231 t1_iwvsprt wrote

Wouldn't it be better if they just became automatic US Citizens. Its 60K people. Don't think it would matter much in USA with that number relocating here.


RubberPny t1_iwvt9i3 wrote

IIRC there is a special fast track system specifically for people part of Compact Free Association islands. Though yes, just giving them citizenship would be better. Fun fact, there is already a large Marshallese population in Arkansas.


JKKIDD231 t1_iwvuotx wrote

Oh wow, had no idea about that. Yea, definitely got enough space for them considering how big USA is. I just googled it and its 3 countries: the Republic of the Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia (FSM), andRepublic of Palau.

Marshall is 60K pop, Micronesia is 116k and Palau18k. Pretty sure, USA takes in more refuges than that population combined each year.


AdminsAreCancer01 t1_iwvzagy wrote

The US took in more refugees than that from Cuba alone in the last year.


Aaaabba t1_iwyfap5 wrote

There are a lot more non-atoll islands in Micronesia, there’d obviously be some on atolls who would need to evacuate but not the majority for sure


override367 t1_iwwpzma wrote

>level 2RubberPny · 6 hr. agoThere are already a few nations, such as the Kiribati, Marshall Islands, etc that are planning total evacuations of everyone to either Australia, New Zealand or the US, due to these places being fully under water in the future. For Marshall Islands, it's a bit easier due to the Compact Free Association with the US (basically allows free movement + the ability to use some gov services).Sorry for the tangent: the whole situation is sad and complex in the way it will need to be taken care of.

Let me put this in US Media speak:



fallought t1_iwx880p wrote

These immigrants speak English. Americans are much much more accepting of immigrants who speak English and are preferably Christian.


override367 t1_ix417dw wrote

Some of the scant handful of ukrainians that have been allowed to temporarily live in the United States have been treated like absolute f****** dog s***


superanxietyrabies t1_iwws8cl wrote

why though


Cadaver_Junkie t1_iwx77m4 wrote

… seriously you don’t understand that post?

override367 was saying that all this mass migration caused by climate change is going to be managed by right wing public entities in predictable ways; they will be exploited as “other” to distract from problems at home, and minimised to reduce their rights in the eyes of people in safer locations.

That’s “why though”.

They aren’t supporting that stance.


OfficerGenious t1_iwxh6u7 wrote

Yeah I'm a little disappointed no one got the sarcasm. :( Poor Override


Flavaflavius t1_iwye4ip wrote

We got the sarcasm, we just thought it was cheesy and tiring.


mirrorsaw t1_iwy9njs wrote

No offense but I think they'd much prefer to move to NZ or Australia


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WorldsBestPapa t1_iwvnv7e wrote

If c02 output dropped to 0 today then the islands would still flood.


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WorldsBestPapa t1_iwvuior wrote

Yes am- but your claim was that they are being flooded because polluters won’t lower their output. I’m only pointing out that if output went to 0 today then enough damage has been done already and these islands are already lost.


jreed12 t1_iwwc7bv wrote

You are being overly pedantic, as Redditor's do so love to do, and missing the broader point. So go back and say because emissions weren't lowered 20 years ago when we knew this was a problem, or emissions weren't lowered 40 years ago when experts in the Energy industry and research scientists knew this was a problem.

Being technically correct doesn't always make you right.


WorldsBestPapa t1_iwwjcyg wrote

I am both technically and factually correct and it is, unfortunately, you who has missed the broader point by mentioning an irrelevant one.

Yes if we had a Time Machine and political will we could have fixed it 40 years ago. We don’t.

I simply and clearly stated completely eliminating emissions would do nothing for Tuvalu now, it’s too late.


jreed12 t1_iwwksbc wrote

Yes yes you win the debate great pedant lord.


bpetersonlaw t1_iwvpocg wrote

Yes. Polluters needed to lower CO2 output decades ago. Islands will flood unless the govts find some incredible solution to lowering temps. E.g. simulating volcano eruptions worldwide to block 10% of sunlight. Which would then lead to reduced crop production and starvation. It's a fucking grim future for our children.


Cadaver_Junkie t1_iwx7l8f wrote

Oh you’re right! Why bother doing anything?

I mean, we polluted massively for ages when being told it would cause intense problems whilst denying climate change, and now we’ll accept climate change is a thing when we can just say “changing won’t wake a difference”.

I guess the step after that is to somehow blame those who tried to warn us, say they weren’t doing enough and it’s their fault we have this problem? Whilst continuing to pollute?

And after that we can move to cheaper and more profitable renewables anyway with the money made from wrecking the planet and claim we were part of the solution all along?

I like your plan. I mean, it’s 100% asshole, but well done.


WorldsBestPapa t1_iwx7qkk wrote

I did not state any plan for the future. I only commented that it was too late to help Tuvalu. Work on your reading comprehension dumbass .


Cadaver_Junkie t1_iwx8a78 wrote

My point is, your comment was completely useless.

It implies we shouldn’t bother, the damage was already done. Well done on comprehending your own comments there, and being part of the problem.


WorldsBestPapa t1_iwx8dui wrote

My comment does not imply anything. It directly states that Tuvalu is gone no matter what. Any implication you are deriving is a result of poor inference and reading comprehension skills on your part.


Cadaver_Junkie t1_iwx8mkd wrote

There's a greater context to this conversation, but if you prefer to have a shallow conversation I guess that's up to you


WorldsBestPapa t1_iwx97fm wrote

And i understand that and have had many before and would’ve had one now except for the tiny little thing where you immediately popped off and insulted me with assumptions for a point I was never arguing.

Obviously emissions need to be cut, yesterday, but you didn’t try to discuss that and instead chose to aggressively comment with false assumptions. Something to think about for the next time.



Cadaver_Junkie t1_iwx9edv wrote

I'm just sick of all the apathy, which your comment really read as. Glad that's not how you feel about it.


kakapantsu t1_iwvrzrj wrote

Livestock produces more CO2 than vehicle activity.


THE_some_guy t1_iwvzdxp wrote

Do you have a source for that? Our World in Data shows that transportation is responsible for 16.2% of global greenhouse gas emissions, while livestock is just 5.8%


I_Am_Not_Newo t1_iww2xdc wrote

I think these are represenated so differently in different sources because they are contingent on how you calculate emissions - for example how much of transportation is related to getting animals from farm to plate? what about supporting infrastructure sure as abbatoirs, tractors, roads ECT? Should you add those? Some would and some wouldn't depending on their standards or how they wanted represent the data.

Also the OP posted cars which are actually not a large part of transportation - trucks, trains, planes and ships emit a fair percentage of transportation related emissions


banallpornography t1_iwvyz6r wrote

Kiribati spent almost 10 million dollars on a bunch of land in Fiji, reportedly with the aim of moving all of their citizens there. To me it seems like a political stunt and unlikely to ever develop into anything, but it's sad nevertheless that's it's even a possibility. Now they are just using the land for food production, but who knows.

As an Australian, I can't see us offering citizenship or a mass migration of people without something in return like fishing rights. Maybe we would for a lucky few, but the masses would need to give up their sovereignty and land most likely. Just guessing though.


itak365 t1_iwx9d6h wrote

The deal with Fiji on Vanua Levu is still pretty likely to happen- when I was in Savusavu in 2014 Tuvalu and Kiribati already had small immigrant communities and citizen representatives there, I met them at the local fair at their tents. Cool people, but the struggle at the time was that Vanua Levu’s infrastructure needed a lot of work (in progress when I left), getting people over was another issue and there are only a couple big towns on the island (Savusavu and Labasa), so it was planned that by the 2020s and 2030s this would be more actively pursued.


Love_God551 t1_iwws2xr wrote

This is incredibly sad especially since these small island nations have little to do with the problems that created this


hellip t1_ix3qkhi wrote

The west want to wash their guilt away by giving these nations a few million dollars and wiping their hands of the matter. It is atrocious.


Love_God551 t1_ix5h3gv wrote

Exactly and it’s essentially throwing money at something and ‘hoping’ it gets better or miraculously goes away


Test19s t1_iwwhpxb wrote

Fiji and other mountainous Pacific islands have also been courted as candidates. Kiribati iirc has an agreement with them. Unless it’s warming as opposed to just sea level rise.


RespondNarrodfs t1_iwxmwy9 wrote

In middle school we did a class project in middle school where I was Tuvalu.