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Optimal_Start_4350 t1_ixjxz6h wrote

Again..NATO is useless ...

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NotOliverQueen t1_ixk3hvc wrote

NATO support is the only reason a free Ukraine still exists. They haven't closed the skies because that would be an act of war, but the training provided to Ukraine over the last 8 years and the insane amount of materiel and intelligence support they've given over the last 9 months has turned Russia from the 2nd strongest military in the world to the 2nd strongest military in Ukraine.

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ErikTheAngry t1_ixk5mkp wrote

NATO is a defensive alliance. Name one time NATO has failed any NATO members.

As much as I support military intervention within Ukraine, NATO as an organization needs to stay out of it.

It's dipshit moves like Yugoslavia that remove NATO's credibility as a defensive alliance that is otherwise harmless to anyone who is not trying to attack you.

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Arcanic_Soul t1_ixkndp1 wrote

Not only Yugoslavia but also intervention in Libya. Is it really a defence alliance at this point? Or just that the opponent this time is a nuclear power house and not some third world countries.

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ErikTheAngry t1_ixkygq5 wrote

Yes, Libya too. NATO did not need to lead the charge to impose the UN Security resolution, and should not have lead that charge.

Individual members, hell every single member, forming their own new coalition for the purpose? Yes, hell yes. But NATO only showed that it will offensively engage nations when it wills.

So although I roll my eyes when Russia says "but NATO!", I roll my eyes because they have nukes, not because they're making a false assertion about NATO being dangerous to their security.

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FM-101 t1_ixk7z9e wrote

That's just not true at all. NATO is a defensive alliance between NATO countries. How can NATO be useless when its doing exactly what its supposed to do.

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Bad_Faith_Detector t1_ixkax62 wrote

NATO countries have given billions in weaponry and aid to Ukraine. They will continue to give billions more.

NATO is under ZERO obligation to also give their blood. It is a defensive alliance built to protect each other. Ukraine is owed nothing.

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