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Opposite-Wing7055 t1_iyc8ott wrote

I deadass just saw a tweet describing these protests as "Dying down"

Glad to see that is false.


hemareddit t1_iycdnkl wrote

"The first protest is dying down. Yes, about dozens more have started, but the first one is on its last legs."

Only half joking, I live in Shenzhen and more protests have happened here yesterday.


sowhat4 t1_iyf1tao wrote

Since you live there, maybe you could tell us why the Covid vaccines are not working in China. Has the virus mutated that much or does the Chinese government insist on using an ineffective formula? (Am just wondering if we are going to be in for an unstoppable surge here in the US.)


OldBallOfRage t1_iycehse wrote

They were. The protests were over the weekend and no-one had any idea of dick all happening for two days. The plan of 'try detaining everyone you can find for a bit and hoping they're intimidated' may possibly have not worked out well.


Erisagi t1_iydkmj1 wrote

Historically, the south of China is often the seed or hotbed of revolution against the ruling government.


constantino675 t1_iybruro wrote

CCP has never really had to deal with public unrest... should be interesting


AncomDuck t1_iyc2idp wrote

They had 1989, and 2019 HK, but this time the scale is much bigger


comdoriano009 t1_iycioa1 wrote

The people protesting now are the same that consider HK part of China, oh the irony


turnintoaconvertibe t1_iycl6q7 wrote

Not really ironic given that you can support your country's unity but also protest your country's human rights issues.


ninshin t1_iye96fj wrote

Do have to say though, the Hong Kong protests were not about sedition. The demands were withdrawal of an extradition bill that people felt threatened the legal system of Hong Kong, for the government to stop calling protests riots so that people don’t go to jail for it, for release of those imprisoned, to investigate the police independently, and for the executives to be fired and a universal election. None of the main demands of the protests requested to be free from China, only some of the young radical ones wanted that. Hong Kong doesn’t even have its own local military unlike Singapore. A minority requesting independence and kissing Ted Cruz’s ass basically turned a lot of people in China against Hong Kong.


comdoriano009 t1_iyclyt7 wrote

Yeah but fuck HK and taiwan am i right?


KinTharEl t1_iycqm37 wrote

While I agree that HK and Taiwan should be their own independently governed countries, I don't think the Chinese people see it that way. The propaganda is strong there, and they've probably been led to believe they HK and Taiwan are rogue provinces that have broken away or been wrested away from Chinese control by foreign powers.

Again, not saying I support that perspective, but you can't fault them when propaganda is the only thing they've been fed since birth.


Nordle_420D t1_iycz04d wrote

Are you chinese? Why did you want unite with HK? Because it was a clearly better place?


drvibrator t1_iydzu0v wrote

I don’t live in China, but looking at the historical reason why HongKong was leased for 100 years to the British, and the Opium wars in general, I’m sort of surprised at how many people cannot understand why China, including both the governing party and the people, would want HongKong to be governed under the ruling party of China. I’m from the US, and the way I consider this is if the US were forced to lease Hawaii to China for 100 years, after which the agreement said that Hawaii wouldn’t be leased anymore. During this time, the local Hawaiian government established itself to rule on federally governed issues, often with Chinese pressure. I would probably want the government of Hawaii significantly reigned in once the lease came up. I am not advocating for the CCP, but I wanted to offer why I don’t think it is crazy for China to have done the things they did. The above was considered when I wanted to invest more in the HK market in the last few years, but decided ultimately that China would definitely rule HK with an iron fist. I don’t think I agree with the fairness of any of this, but there is no fairness in international politics imo.


MrMahony t1_iycoj80 wrote

You wonder despite trying to remove it, how ingrained the Mandate of Heaven (and the Dynastic Cycle) is in Chinese society is are we seeing China go from the Old Dynasty phase to the Problems phase again?

I'm no expert I'm asking if this could be what's happening to someone that knows.


Efficient-Ad-3302 t1_iychx8x wrote

The populace needs to rise up to regain their freedom.


EbolaZombies t1_iycqm05 wrote

I truly doubt anything is going to happen, but I remain hopeful. The Chinese government is extremely stable and powerful. The communist party is overwhelmingly strong and they have been spouting propaganda for decades. The entire system actively suppresses any uprising significantly more effective than any other dictatorship on earth. If anything I see it getting worse after these protests. The majority of the Chinese population knows that it is in their best interest to accept the suppression.


Disastrous-Detail880 t1_iyd498a wrote

Well, Guangzhou is a trading port. And there's more outbreaks here than the rest of China. Seems like the government put a fast blockade here, BUT the Chinese citizens didn't expect it to be this fast. Causing the protest because usually there is a warning of curfew then the blockade and isolation.