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[deleted] t1_iy2vghc wrote

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lolomfgkthxbai t1_iy31nzk wrote

Nothing will prevent the spread. They need vaccinations to keep hospitalizations down.

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MikeJeffriesPA t1_iy3b37h wrote

And vaccinations do reduce spread.

Vaccination make you less likely to be symptomatic, and reduces the time that you're contagious (if you get to that point).

They don't prevent infection, but no vaccine in history has prevented infection. Vaccines teach your body how to defeat the virus, they don't prevent the virus from entering your body entirely.

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[deleted] t1_iy38xwv wrote

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MikeJeffriesPA t1_iy3aeab wrote

Most people who die in car accidents were wearing their seatbelt, too.

If 80% of Americans are vaccinated, and 58% of deaths are those who are vaccinated...doesn't that mean the vaccines are at least doing something?

Especially considering older adults are most likely to be vaccinated and also the highest-risk group for COVID?

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stablegeniusss t1_iy3ay4h wrote

Around 80% of Americans have received some form of vaccination. It’s not that surprising that they make up 56% of covid deaths for a single month when you’re looking at that large a subset of the population. Another way to look at that is that 20% of the US population is unvaxed and made up 44% of US related covid deaths for august

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No-Blackberry4518 t1_iy3bdhb wrote

But The first year the vaccine came out, the majority of Americans were not vaccinated obviously . But yet the media missused that statistic, and said that it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated. So we should use that statistic now the same way they used then correct?

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stablegeniusss t1_iy3ebkq wrote

They were likely saying that because the unvaccinated were dying at a substantially higher rate than people who were vaccinated and boosted.

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drconn t1_iy4cs9n wrote

Transparency and the truth is always the way to go.

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OppositeOfOxymoron t1_iy4bbzs wrote

Congratulations. You're using the base rate fallacy.

The unvaccinated are dying at 10+x the rate of vaccinated people in most western countries.

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No-Blackberry4518 t1_iy4c9p6 wrote

Yes. The same fallacy used by the media the first year the vaccine came out when the majority of Americans were not vaccinated obviously . But yet the media missused that statistic, and said that it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated. So we should use that statistic now the same way they used it then.

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Some_Yesterday3882 t1_iy4qskf wrote

Nice of you to chime in with your medical degree and set the record straight for everyone. Thank you comrade.

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UnlikelyRabbit4648 t1_iy2yl1w wrote

It did here in the UK, I mean yeah sure all the manufacturers admitted it did nothing to prevent it spreading from people but our government promised us and I believe our government implicitly 🥴

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SocialismWay t1_iy6gq11 wrote

>all the manufacturers admitted it did nothing

In your schizo imagination perhaps.

>I believe our government implicitly

*I belive random guy on internet implicitly.

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No-Blackberry4518 t1_iy3cl5g wrote

Love your downvotes from the liberal circle jerk of Reddit

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UnlikelyRabbit4648 t1_iy3eysl wrote

Oh yeah there's a sensitive few who drank too much vaccine kool aid, but fine I'll still speak as I wish.

I'm not an anti vaxer, I had three of them...mostly because I was so desperate to travel to Thailand at the time. I had the first wave of COVID before my vaccine and I didn't know I had it to be honest, but I'm a bit of a pussy and take the flu jab as I'd prefer not to have the sniffles if it can be helped.

However the COVID jab fiasco was pretty shitty, so many later admissions as to the true efficiency. Nightmare stories of blood clots and strokes, I since know 3 people who had heart attack/ stroke including my dad. Improper or complete lack of testing, underhand passing of immunity from being sued granted to pharmaceutical companies who have made record profits.

And now since the middle of June we have excess deaths in Europe far greater than any period during the "pandemic" with the majority being non COVID related. We have a huge rise of previously eradicated diseases coming back and the worst flu pandemics ever starting up.

The financial ruin from lockdowns was quite easy to forsee, but the state of people's health when you scratch off the veneer leaves a lot to be questioned and I won't be silenced on demanding those answers.

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No-Blackberry4518 t1_iy3fpof wrote

We may have thought the financial ruin was easy to see but quite a few either didn’t see it or didn’t care. There was never a discussion of tradeoffs or weighing of the repercussions and downstream impact of such decisions. It was immediate shutdowns and if you are opposed then you want to kill old people.

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UnlikelyRabbit4648 t1_iy3gm5c wrote

Oh yeah, I was labelled an inconsiderate murderer many times...by my own sister. She's since publicly declared she was going through a hard time mentally, pre-natal and all that. I think a lot of people were, still are - suicides rose during that period, still are I believe.

You're absolutely right, it was easy for me to forsee what would happen and I called it publicly at the first lockdown...but a whole lot of people did not / would not see it because the weather was nice and they got to have a "free" holiday in the garden drinking booze and making BBQs. If only they knew they would be paying it all back for the rest of their lives.

I mean who can't see the issues with printing 450billion pounds to cover the cost, devaluing our currency, would create.

People are still in denial now as they look everywhere other than that period for excuses as to why inflation in the UK is sky high 🤦‍♂️

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