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RedditIsForSpam t1_iy9cne9 wrote

Do you think that buying rainbow merch from a corporation is "showing support"?

Do you think that owning a product somehow raises awarenenss?

Do you think that some people aren't aware of gay people and that it's awarenenss that needs to be raised?

Buddy it's far more effective to not wear your scause and have a conversation with people when you hear them express views that aren't rooted in thought.

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Pearson_Realize t1_iyapx90 wrote

You guys find a way to be cynical about everything. People bought armbands to express the fact that they support for the LGBTQ community, and you guys are complaining about it. It must suck to be live life like that.

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RedditIsForSpam t1_iybbj5t wrote

Performative gestures like this don't actually support gay people. They support the profit of the type of cynical people you're currently denouncing.

If spending money on a trinket makes you feel good about yourself, that's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything other than letting yourself ignore real problems for the opiate of imaginary solutions.

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Pearson_Realize t1_iybdnmn wrote

I’m sure you’re the most enthusiastic, hardworking activist for gay rights. I’d love to know what you’ve personally done to further equality on this planet that allows you to look down on everybody that publicly shows their support.

How’s this any different from hanging a pride flag outside of your house? It publicly shows that you value members of the LGBTQ, and in a lot of places that alone is a big deal. There are still parts of even western countries where being LGBTQ can put you at a huge risk, and so can supporting them.

And a lot of times, just the public support for these things can make all the difference. Imagine a gay person who feels alone because they were disowned by their family, or lost friends, or in a very unaccepting community seeing someone wearing these armbands. Do you think they’re going to think “they’re just supporting cynical capitalism” or are they going to feel welcomed and accepted?

There are so many interviews or clips of LGBTQ members explaining how it feels to see someone publicly supporting them, and how much it can lift them up when they feel like they don’t belong. But I guess some of us would rather pretend like that never happens, and that anything less than rioting and burning down buildings in the name of equality doesn’t accomplish anything.

Not only is the reality you live in a sad one, it’s also privileged. You’ve clearly never felt like you didn’t belong in a community that didn’t accept you before, because if you did, you’d understand the power of public statements like these.

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RedditIsForSpam t1_iybfcfu wrote

>I’m sure you’re the most enthusiastic, hardworking activist for gay rights. I’d love to know what you’ve personally done to further equality on this planet that allows you to look down on everybody that publicly shows their support.

Getting into numerous fist fights over my life to defend queer people from attackers.

>How’s this any different from hanging a pride flag outside of your house?

That's also a meaningless platitude.

>There are so many interviews or clips of LGBTQ members explaining how it feels to see someone publicly supporting them

There are so many conversations I've had with gay people who express the opinion that meaningless platitudes don't help them at all.

>You’ve clearly never felt like you didn’t belong in a community that didn’t accept you before,

Lmao dude quit while you're ahead you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and you're making yourself look like a huge ass.

You know what's privileged? Putting up a decoration and thinking it's a bold stance. Bet you wouldn't be so keen on flying those flags if you lived someone it would make you and your home a target for violence.

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Pearson_Realize t1_iybsob1 wrote

> There are so many conversations I’ve had with gay people who express the opinion that meaningless platitudes don’t help them at all.

Because the opinion of the few gay people that agree with you automatically means all gay people agree. I AM part of the LGBTQ community and seeing shit like that means something to me.

> You know what’s privileged? Putting up a decoration and thinking it’s a bold stance. Bet you wouldn’t be so keen on flying those flags if you lived someone it would make you and your home a target for violence

I don’t give a fuck what you think I’d do. Just like I don’t care how condescending you are about people who “don’t do enough.” You can sit and whine about whatever you want, that doesn’t change anything I’ve said. You ignored half my comment and acted like you made some sort of huge gotcha point against me, and your entire opinion is “publicly expressing support for a disadvantaged community is a meaningless gesture” which is genuinely insane.

> Getting into numerous fist fights over my life to defend queer people from attackers.

Not that I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you.

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ihopkid t1_iy9tqtg wrote

The KNVB isn’t really a corporation, it’s a football association.

And yeah, wearing that product out in public does raise awareness. How do you think you raise awareness?

And if you think it’s raising awareness of the existence of gay people, you clearly didn’t read any of the article or their actual statement

And you can’t seriously be suggesting having a conversation with every single bigoted person you meet instead.

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RedditIsForSpam t1_iy9ub02 wrote

>football association

Famously averse to profiting at any moral cost Football associations....

>How do you think you raise awareness?

The point is that everyone is aware of this issue. The people being oppressive aren't doing it because tHeY jUsT DoNt UndERsTaNd. They hate queer people because they're hateful.

>And you can’t seriously be suggesting having a conversation with every single bigoted person you meet instead.

No I'm suggesting bullying and belittling them so they understand people won't tolerate their behaviour anymore.

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