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Pilotom_7 t1_j1viu6k wrote

There is no friendship with Russia - no Fairness, loyalty or care.

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[deleted] t1_j1w776y wrote

You can never trust anything coming from this shit country called Russia.

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fIreballchamp t1_j1vqo5g wrote

Look at a map. Azerbaijan needs access through Armenia to get to part of its country. There's a large enclave with a portion of Armenia blocking access.

Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made. Armenia keeps getting beaten up by Azerbaijan and Russia wants to stop this. If Armenia blocks access, Azerbaijan will attack Armenia, they will win and they will kill Armenians, destroy infrastructure and take the land. No one will do anything about it.

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Pilotom_7 t1_j1vtxrr wrote

Oh, So this is Russia making the Tough decisions for Armenia’s own good…

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Repulsive_Size_849 t1_j1vzsq6 wrote

And surely once they are successful in using violent force to get their way, they will never do it again.

If only there was a Neville Chamberlain in Armenia who could understand the value of appeasement.

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fIreballchamp t1_j1w4qwt wrote

So why is NATO allowing Turkey to supply Azerbaijan with weapons and training. This is the problem. Not Russia.

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fIreballchamp t1_j1vv4q7 wrote

Yes, Russia is letting Armenia know if they don't allow access through their territory Russia will not help Armenia deal with the consequences.

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TrappedTraveler2587 t1_j1vxmro wrote

Literally, it makes no sense to reward violent behavior, rhetoric, and inhumanitarian behavior in the interest of ethnic cleansing as an excuse to allow the violation of Armenian Sovereignty.

Today it's a corridor, tomorrow it's equal use of Sevan lakes water resources, then access for a pipeline route, etc...

The law is clear. An agreement was already signed (no corridor language except for Lachin corridor) in Nov 2020 that ended the war. It was reaffirmed in jan 2021. This is simple, Russia wants a route to/from the meditarrean that has no international controls and to solidify its relationship with Azerbaijan while blackmailing Armenia into being its military outpost.

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fIreballchamp t1_j1w55ng wrote

So then maybe Turkey should stop supplying Azerbaijan with weapons and training. This isn't about Russia not wanting to cause problems there. This is about a NATO country, Turkey arming their buddies and training them to carry on a geopolitical goal of theirs. Russia doesn't want there to be bigger problems. Peace won't come unless USA and Europe tell Turkey that enough is enough. The only other option is Russia steps in and starts another war.

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TROPtastic t1_j1wizve wrote

>Armenia keeps getting beaten up by Azerbaijan and Russia wants to stop this.

Isn't the whole point of Russia's glorious CSTO to provide protection for its members? "An attack on one is an attack on all"? Seems like it would be very easy for Russia to permanently stop Azeri attacks on Armenia if Putin wasn't obsessed with subjugating Ukraine.

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ArmpitEchoLocation t1_j1w25tk wrote

> Look at a map. Azerbaijan needs access through Armenia to get to part of its country

Tough titties, it's called an exclave, an exclave that already has land access to Turkey.

> If Armenia blocks access

It's Armenia's sovereign territory....

You complain about Armenians perpetually living in what the Soviets decided to be Azerbaijan wanting a supply route to all that remains of Armenia, but expect a supply route (for what?) for Azeris living west of Armenia...in a fucking exclave.

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fIreballchamp t1_j1w3zf2 wrote

What's the alternative? Europe and USA don't care. Turkey, a NATO member is providing the weapons and training to the Azeri forces yet the OP is crying Russia. Russia is clearly busy at the moment and doesn't want to deal with this.

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dzhastin t1_j1z0wih wrote

So does the US just get to blast a path thorough British Columbia to connect Washington and Alaska? I’m trying to find your logic as to how exclaves should be handled.

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GlocalBridge t1_j1v7yqz wrote

I tried to read the article but was blocked by a fallacious pop up declaring that my Macafee subscription had expired. Armenia would be making a serious mistake joining any union with Russia or Belarus.

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Repulsive_Size_849 t1_j1vpccg wrote

>The Armenian authorities have announced for the first time at the highest level that their strategic ally Russia is forcing Armenia to provide a corridor—through its sovereign territory—to Azerbaijan, as well as to join the Union State of Russia and Belarus, reported the RFE/RL Armenian Service

>The secretary of the Security Council of Armenia, Armen Grigoryan, stated directly on the air of Public TV Monday that the invasion of the sovereign territory of Armenia by Azerbaijan on September 13, as well as the closure of the Lachin corridor, is within the scope of the pressure being exerted by Russia on Armenia.

>According to Grigoryan, this is the main reason for the crisis in Armenian-Russian relations that has been clearly expressed lately.

>"That broad context, so to speak, is in the context of supporting Azerbaijan, getting some road of the so-called corridor logic through the territory of Armenia. Armenia continues to resist this. By the way, I can clearly say that the escalation [of tension] of September 13 is also related to this. And, for the most part, this is the basis—or motive—of the entire crisis," Grigoryan stated.

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papaHans t1_j1vt7uo wrote

Sounds like they need roads open from Iran to Azerbaijan to Russia. What for?

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_m0s_ t1_j1xgqhl wrote

There is already a road from Azerbaijan to Iran, they share a border.

The corridor that is being discussed is the one connecting Azerbaijan with Turkey over Armenian land, so that two have a duty free connection as opposed to connecting over Iran or Georgia.

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Armchairbroke t1_j1xgp78 wrote

I doubt Azerbaijan would do anything that benefits Iran.

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teknoguy t1_j1vop3j wrote

Russia is forcing Armenia to provide corridor to Azerbaijan, to join Union State, Security Council chief says 15:17, 27.12.2022

Region:Armenia, Karabakh, Azerbaijan, RussiThe Armenian authorities have announced for the first time at the highest level that their strategic ally Russia is forcing Armenia to provide a corridor—through its sovereign territory—to Azerbaijan, as well as to join the Union State of Russia and Belarus, reported the RFE/RL Armenian Service

The secretary of the Security Council of Armenia, Armen Grigoryan, stated directly on the air of Public TV Monday that the invasion of the sovereign territory of Armenia by Azerbaijan on September 13, as well as the closure of the Lachin corridor, is within the scope of the pressure being exerted by Russia on Armenia.

According to Grigoryan, this is the main reason for the crisis in Armenian-Russian relations that has been clearly expressed lately.

"That broad context, so to speak, is in the context of supporting Azerbaijan, getting some road of the so-called corridor logic through the territory of Armenia. Armenia continues to resist this. By the way, I can clearly say that the escalation [of tension] of September 13 is also related to this. And, for the most part, this is the basis—or motive—of the entire crisis," Grigoryan stated. Armenia News - NEWS.am

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coreywindom t1_j1xner1 wrote

And Russia still fails to understand why so many of their neighbors fear their aggression and seek NATO membership. Joining NATO ensures that all they need to worry about is empty Russian threats. The secret to relative stability in your region is not being a dick and bullying your neighbors.

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rosiyaidynakher t1_j1y5jo5 wrote

So much for the Armenian-russian “brotherhood”

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WanderingPickles t1_j1zchhh wrote

Appears to be an opportunity for other players to insert themselves…

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