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sask357 t1_j1m653i wrote

When you are trying to help someone who continually throws up barriers, do you reach a point at which you give up and walk away even though you know it will be bad for that person? I think the answer is yes and I think the rest of the world has reached that point in Afghanistan.


JayR_97 t1_j1nllu0 wrote

At this point we just need to completely isolate them and hope the Taliban collapses.


firejuggler74 t1_j1ou9v0 wrote

I wouldn't want to completely isolate them. I think they should have a path to improve. I think its ok to sell them stuff like food, medicine, clothing etc. Completely isolating countries has never led to change, just misery.


capteni t1_j1mle1f wrote

We are helping the helpless women and children not the shit heads.


hannibal-the-manimal t1_j1nwl6a wrote

Unless we can get women and children out of there, we ain't helping anything. We are only delaying the misery.


sask357 t1_j1mlmpd wrote

I understand that but didn't you just say you were closing down now?


Mastercat12 t1_j1on7ax wrote

What about the men who want to get out? There are tons of men who are forced to fight and do things. What about them? Why are women helpless and men not?


capteni t1_j1ozz3r wrote

Very fair point. I was just pointing out to the dude who said to just abandon Afghanistan that tis means abandoning infant children and women.


Love_God551 t1_j1o0m12 wrote

The major problem in Afghanistan is that they are tribal not national in their culture and that won’t change

Funneling money into the taliban is equivalent to flushing money down the toilet

If they, being the Taliban, want to continue to repress and destroy their society they should be left to their own devices

Hopefully at some point they will realize oppression and violence will not work and the people will revolt


manitobot t1_j1o17d7 wrote

The people who you are trying to help is not the same as the person throwing up barriers.


RohanMurrolet t1_j1p4q7k wrote

So they were... Talibanned?

Seriously, that's ridiculous. I can't fathom the mental gymnastics necessary to think a female ban is a smart move from their perspective.


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Sendstorepatter OP t1_j1ltte3 wrote

I doubt it.

Why would these organisations not but a lot more equal and well functioning as their counterparts in the west?


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Sendstorepatter OP t1_j1m35ky wrote

This isn't "local culture" but a tool for oppression and control. Just as we see it in Iran.


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MacronTheNecromancer t1_j1lveqo wrote

I hate the Taliban with every fiber in my body but if these NGOs are making a stance, they’re doing more harm than good. Why should afghani children (half of them girls) have aid withdrawn because of what adult men decide?

If they’re unable to continue work, fine. But this should not be because of an ideological stance


Sendstorepatter OP t1_j1ly4q8 wrote

Actually those NGOs should all leave Afghanistan when clearly they cannot work or function there under Taliban.

They help the regime by giving life support to the country.


capteni t1_j1mljna wrote

Your logic is backwards. Since they depend on aid for everything. NGOs stopping puts pressure on these clowns to rethink their decision


dubiousadvocate t1_j1n0eyt wrote

You’re cordially invited to push back the keyboard, pack a bag, and fly over there to help. You won’t of course.


oldspiceland t1_j1ly3jo wrote

The only way to help these Afghani children would be to remove the Taliban from power, which the west got bored of having done because it wasn’t easy and fast.

If the NGO can’t have female staff then the Taliban will also not let the NGO work with female children either immediately or very very soon after. Honestly blaming the NGO by saying they shouldn’t hold back assistance because of an ideological stance is hilarious. The NGO can stop aid for any reason it wants and if you were in their shoes you’d feel the same.


fungibletokens t1_j1lyhqn wrote

>The only way to help these Afghani children would be to remove the Taliban from power

Were you in a coma for the last 20 years...?


oldspiceland t1_j1lyl95 wrote

Lmao did you actually finish reading what I said before you started replying?

Edit: anyone who thinks you can “fix” the Taliban is foolish. The options are to do nothing, or accept that real change is messy and costly and takes generations.


fungibletokens t1_j1lz8my wrote

Yes, you still sound stupid for thinking that regime change is the answer (again).

Even when we western chauvinists pull it off, it doesn't end well. See Iraq and Libya.


Sendstorepatter OP t1_j1m33v9 wrote

It went well until we pulled out.


Is_that_even_a_thing t1_j1mar6j wrote

20 years odd they were there. Not insignificant , and I think it was a case of leading the horse to water, trying to get it to drink and it wasn't that interested


Sendstorepatter OP t1_j1mb5ca wrote

That's not true.

As we can clearly see now there was a huge differrence in how it was under US and allied protection and now under Taliban.

Then girls and women could go to school and be educated. Get jobs and had a good or much better future.

Now it went to shit because the US pulled the rug under it.


Is_that_even_a_thing t1_j1mcfg2 wrote

The difference was huge, I agree. My point was, after 20 years of assistance and training for local forces, they weren't self sustaining. It was always going to need 'occupation' of a western force to maintain. Political willpower was not going to last forever, and there is a tide of resistance against the west for interfering in other countries policy - good and bad (mostly bad) that it reaches the point where they have to react to that.

In this case it was to pull out.

That is the unfortunate part. We can see all the great work unravelling before I eyes- it's a tragedy. I feel for the people of Afghanistan and all over the world that cannot live their best lives because of oppression.


Sendstorepatter OP t1_j1mdaxb wrote

Doesn't matter. It wasn't draining very many ressources from the US or its allies to maintain and let it grow.

Instead Trump decided to pull the plug without consultation without a plan and without considering how the Taliban would take over again. As we see it now.

I think he mainly did it in order to win the election. He knew a another candidate could not say the decision should be reversed.

Now several thousand US and allied troops died for not much to show for it because the American people suddenly thought they cared about an issue they hadn't for years.

Now their girls and women are bared from education and from jobs. They are again breeding machines with no future. Covered from head to toe. And Afghanistan goes into a period of dictatorship like we see in Iran.


Schyte96 t1_j1mzm75 wrote

Literally the very next sentence....


TROPtastic t1_j1nld0a wrote

These NGOs are saying "we cannot conduct our operations when thousands of our employees are banned from working for us, so you have forced us to shut down."

Some elements of the Taliban are now panicking and talking about exceptions for aid groups, but the religious authorities haven't publicized any rule changes.