Spikes_Cactus t1_j1q3c06 wrote on December 26, 2022 at 2:24 PM

Reply to comment by RepulsiveVoid in Russia ready to resume gas supplies to Europe via Yamal-Europe pipeline -Novak by IndependentTHNKR

You'd be surprised about how quickly the common people forget. How else would bad politicians, governments or regimes get back into power after being proven wrong first time?

Velociraptorius t1_j1qpudz wrote on December 26, 2022 at 5:22 PM

Yeah and it's not like this invasion came out of nowhere. Hello, Russia has been trying to reclaim former territories of the USSR piece by piece since its collapse. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea. All these russian invasions the world looked past. The Ukrainian invasion may have been bigger, but if the Ukrainians hadn't shown the incredible backbone and competence at repelling the invasion and actually got large parts of their country occupied with no chance of taking it back, I guarantee that five to ten years later the world would have looked upon this situation with the same apathy they ascribe to those previous invasions. There is, infuriatingly, STILL opinions present that Ukraine should allow Russia to keep parts of its territory in exchange for peace. Some people never change.

atomicxblue t1_j1rl3dg wrote on December 26, 2022 at 9:11 PM

I don't see Ukraine willing to give away any more of its land. Russia wants to control the country, but as we've seen, they would never be able to take the whole thing by force. They have to come take out bites every so often.

Zelenskyy knows full well that he could get them to back off by giving up a large percentage of his territory, but he also knows that if he does, there's not much to stop Russia from coming back for more later. This is why he's pushed for his country to be whole again.

Velociraptorius t1_j1rpxe3 wrote on December 26, 2022 at 9:47 PM

I know that very well. Hopefully the Western leaders will too. But they should have learned that lesson with Crimea.

Visual_Bathroom_6917 t1_j1sf9d1 wrote on December 27, 2022 at 1:03 AM

Wasn't Bush praised everywhere lately (for basically not being Trump)? Wasn't he responsible for 500.000 deaths lying about WMD? In 10 years nobody will give a fuck

RepulsiveVoid t1_j1q5a03 wrote on December 26, 2022 at 2:42 PM

This seems to be a larger issue in countries with FPTP voting, but you do have an unfortunately accurate point.

I don't understand why ppl don't look at what the parties did when they were in power when new elections are held.