>In that case, all non Jews are antisemites that I have met. They've all instantly treated me different, probed me with questions (mostly on Israel), and excluded me from holiday stuff. But now the actions of Israel is making it way, way worse. >Yes, firstly it is antisemites fault, but the Israeli gov being so radical is salt in the wound.

Yes, it does sound like they all exhibit antisemetic behaviour, if that's the case. But, if a bunch of bullies pick on you because you're friends with a nerd, do you get upset at your friend for doing things that make the bullies want to pick on him and you (maybe he picks his nose or wears thick glasses)?

>I think we need a place like Israel, I'm not against that. But talking about it like it getting more and more conservative and theocratic isn't cool. These actions are affecting us outside of Israel and feeding antisemites that are too dumb to realize an American Jew is not always a Zionist.

And I said I completely understand, and feel the same way. I also feel increasingly disenfranchised by Israel's political trajectory. That said I recognize I'm not exactly meant to be completely enfranchised by their decisions because I'm not an Israeli citizen. I just won't get onboard with the "feeding anti-semites" crap. Their aim is to sew division. Why let them win? Also - most Jews (including you, apparently) ARE Zionists. A zionist is just someone who thinks Israel should exist. Again, don't let anti-semites poison the well for you here. A zionist is not someone who supports all of Israel's actions no matter what - in fact, imo that would be very un-zionist since I believe that leveling critique of one's country is an inherently patriotic act.

>These are my opinions. You do not need to listen or agree, but I'm going to be hard pressed to see otherwise.

I am listening, and I do agree with some of them.

>I know that Israel is just defending it's self, but it feels very bad with how it chooses to defend it's self.

I completely agree. I try to remind myself that sometimes pragmatism and urgency colours their situation in a way that a Canadian like me can't fully appreciate. I think it's insane that this Kahanist bullshit is taking footholds in the Knesset, but I can at least understand why it's happening. And without understanding, you can't really address the root issues. If you don't seek to understand, you just end up being inflammatory.

>Of course Arabs should also reform stuff and aide the Palestinians and won't. > >Sorry I'm not receptive entirely to what you're saying. I see your point but I don't feel like you see mine, so i have very little left to say.

I think I do see your point.