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Fhujeth t1_j1d76qp wrote

Reply to comment by OneShartMan in Israel's Netanyahu says he has formed new government by PoliticiansAlwaysLie

The point I was making went over your head. Of course it has existed for thousands of years but in this new world of social/mass media the actions Israeli government has done has amplified what has already been around.

In the last few years it's gotten so insanely bad and we have Trump to blame, along with the far right in Israel's actions causing a very bad pushback from the rest of the world. Of course other countries are doing worse things but we are already hyper focussed on, so we need to be upstanding, not hypocritical. The rest of the world wouldn't be as (obviously they'd still be antisemites) quick to jump us if it wasn't for some of the choices Israel is making.

Again, that's my stance on it.

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OneShartMan t1_j1hbxhy wrote

The point I was making went over your head. We don’t give a shit what people around the world think of us, and we rather be hated and safe than loved and hurt. Just look at Ukraine. Don’t take this as an insult, but what you probably started reading about this topic online in the last few years, so that’s why you think it’s changed somehow. No, its been like this for decades and the only thing that changed is your exposure to it.

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Fhujeth t1_j1hj7so wrote

I've felt unsafe for decades, it feels far worse now. We can agree to disagree. Otherwise, I've got nothing else to say

Russia never loved Ukraine?? Where does this come from. Maybe they did in desperation for a brief moment in the 19th century when Pan-Slavism was at a all time high and Ukraine had bad vibes with Poland. That's more of a survival than something else

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OneShartMan t1_j1hzbqv wrote

When I mentioned Ukraine it was meant to show what happens when a country depends on other countries for its security. They might be winning, but they are suffering enormous losses and damages. We can’t afford those kinds of losses, and we can’t beg the entire world for help like Zelenskyy does. That’s why we will never compromise our security because of the world opinion on us. And I get what you’re saying, but that has nothing to do with Bibi or our government. It feels like this because of exposure, not only yours. And blaming us for you feeling unsafe, is missing the entire point of why we live in Israel and fight for it every single day.

Bottom line is, Jews will never feel safe, and blaming other jews for it is kind of ironic.

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Fhujeth t1_j1j3osj wrote

I'm just blaming the extremist, anti-muslim right wing people who see the Palestinians as crap. Not all Jews, not all Israelis, just the way the government has been going.

Pretty sure the help Ukraine got from Russia when "Russia did help" was at the trade off of being a buffer state and labour state with most exports going back to Moscow, along with being stripped of their language and culture. I don't see how the two correlate. Don't worry, there ARE many American Christians who do support Israel for their weird religious beliefs abd would opt to protect it.

Nothing wrong with protecting yourself, everything wrong when you start to treat others the way we were treated. That's where it looks bad.

But like I said, I also blame Trump and groups that keep trying to attack Israel. My feelings are complicated on the subject. I don't blame average people who are just living their lives.

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