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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2f0eci wrote

Reply to comment by Peasant_Stockholder in N. Korea fires ballistic missile toward East Sea by Kaysic

The US already threw the first punch with the Korean War. They were also the first ones to bring nuclear weapons to the Korean Peninsula, and they have been openly calling for the destruction of North Korea for years while ignoring any attempt for peace.

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domine18 t1_j2f2kf7 wrote

Huh? You can objectively say America should probably not have been there in the first place. But first punch??? North Korea said we want South Korea to be communist. America said we will help to make that not happen. Do not cross this line North. They crossed it and the Korean War started. It was handled poorly and all that. But first punch???? Really????

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2f8lhs wrote

After Japan was kicked out of Korea people in both the north and south started developing their own democratic systems. Then the US arbitrarily divided the country at the 38th parallel, and established a military occupation in the south. This occupation destroyed the democratic institutions that had been set up, and kept officials and collaborators from the Japanese colonial government in power. Then the US installed a dictator to rule the south. Syng-man Rhee made it his mission to suppress and kill anyone he thought might be socialist. Given that context I don't think it was that North Korea was trying to force anything on the south, but that they were trying to drive an occupying force out of their country, like they had done with the Japanese.

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domine18 t1_j2fdrcj wrote

You are correct in that they wanted to drive out a force from “their” country. Much in the same way Russia wants to drive a force from “their” country in ukraine. They invaded. Japan gave up control in 1945. Leaving a vacuum for power differing opinions took root. Communism in the north( supported by USSR) and Democracy in the south (supported by USA). They were all Koreans but had different ideologies. America wanted to support a budding new democracy and stop the advancement of communism. A line was created in 1945 after WWII at the 38th parallel agreed by America and USSR to separate the two ideologies that both countries supported. Then June 25, 1950 North Korea crossed the line invading South Korea. And kicked off the Korean War.

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2fkmeu wrote

If the US was trying to support democracy then why did they destroy the people's councils that had been established in the south, fill the government and police force with former Japanese collaborators, and install a dictator in Syngman Rhee? And then after Rhee was eventually overthrown, why did the US support the military juntas that came into power?

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domine18 t1_j2fn490 wrote

As I said, they did a bad job of it. I am not arguing that the USA did a good job. But to say the USA provoked or threw the first punch is just wrong.

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2foo0y wrote

Actively suppressing democracy is not doing a bad job of supporting democracy, it is actively suppressing democracy.

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WatRedditHathWrought t1_j2fgujf wrote

So, let me get this straight, you think the United States, all on its own, decided that the commies could have the northern part of the Korean Peninsula? Is that what you think?

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2floiw wrote

The facts are that the USSR and the Korean people (many of them being led by Kim Il Sung) were the ones who drove Japan out of Korea. The US didn't want the USSR to have influence in all of Korea so they drew a line at the 38th parallel. The USSR agreed to that line because they didn't see it as a hill they wanted to die on (they didn't want to chance a war with the US since they had just lost 27 million people in WWII).

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lumach68 t1_j2f3ow9 wrote

You post often condemning the US and other “capitalist” countires and praise the USSR, China, and North Korea, and openly make false statements such as this one, tell me how you think north Korea invading the south was not the first punch. The whole reason there was two in the first place was under Japanese occupation it got invaded by the USSR and the US on both sides. And the only reason there’s two now is China didn’t allow North Korea to get conquered. So if you wanna go back further to prove it then you can’t blame solely the US. Please do not respond with communist or North Korean apologetics, you cannot tell me in good faith North Korea is in any realm better than the south. I feel for the people forced to live in that nightmare.

Edit: Autocorrect changed a word

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2f95zg wrote

You said it yourself when you said China didn't let North Korea get conquered. The US wanted to conquer all of Korea, and the "first punch" was when the US arbitrarily divided the country, and conquered the south.

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lumach68 t1_j2fjch6 wrote

The North wanted to conquer all of South Korea, it invaded to do as much. The UN was defending a sovereign nation from being invaded. Go live in North Korea and see if you enjoy your time there, instead of South Korea, such a horrible fate that befell upon them by the big bad US. /s If you couldn’t tell. The line was also agreed upon by both the US and the USSR. Unless of course you’re implying the USSR had to bend to the will of the United States and accept such a divide. I’m sure based on what you’ve been saying that’s what you meant. The line was meant to be a temporary measure, but the Cold War prolonged that and know here we are 77 years later. After this response if you reply back with willfully incorrect history or outright lies I will ignore it.

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VideogamerDisliker t1_j2fnniw wrote

>conquer

I think you mean liberate, in the same way North Vietnam wanted to liberate the south

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2fn2lh wrote

The south was not a sovereign country, they were being ruled by a US installed dictator who was killing many of his own people (look up the Jeju Uprising for one example). I'm not talking about living in North Korea today, I'm talking about the Korean War and the history of US aggression and the influences that has. North Korea was objectively more free and prosperous than South Korea until the fall of the Soviet Union. You have to remember that after Syngman Rhee was overthrown South Korea was ruled by a military junta until the 80s.

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why_cant_you_read t1_j2f10m2 wrote

Personally, I'd be more concerned about how Poseidon is going to react to this. I haven't seen any comments from him or a representative of the Sea Kingdom, but I'm sure it will not be pleasant.

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sintos-compa t1_j2f6k0p wrote

I love the smell of burning tankies in the morning

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Super_Duper_Shy t1_j2fkrd4 wrote

Is that a reference to how much napalm the US used on the Korean people? If so that's pretty sick to joke about genocide like that.

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