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mikeymumbelz t1_j23e7hb wrote

Reply to comment by I_Am_Become_Dream in Netanyahu set to retake power at head of far-right government by Smithy2232

The State of Israel is the RESULT of ethnic cleansing.

I hate to break this to you but the Arab/Muslim world purged their countries of their Jews after the Israelis won the independence war.

I'm asking you this genuinely. Where did you think the Jews were going to go after the Arab/Muslim world kicked them out?

The end result of that was obvious. They left Iraq, they left Lebanon, they left Syria, they left Egypt, they left Jordan, they left all of these countries with no citizenship anywhere else so they all collected in the State of Israel.

A state where they knew they'd be safe because they made up the population.

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I_Am_Become_Dream t1_j23iicq wrote

This is ridiculous. The expelling of Jews from Arab countries, while terrible, happened after the establishment of Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. You can’t a posteriori justify ethnic cleansing. You can’t justify ethnic cleansing period.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j23j1tv wrote

So you're saying "revenge based" ethnic cleansings are acceptable? Because that's a pretty fucked position to take if you're being serious.

If you're saying it's acceptable to target Jews who have nothing to do with Israel over the things that Israel does or did, you're validating the argument about anti-zionism being rooted in antisemitism.

As to your point:

The original ethnic cleansings that occurred in Israel were two-fold.

The first was the Jordanians telling the Palestinians to get out and promising them they could return once the war had been won. The Palestinians left but the Jordanians (and the rest of the Arab forces) lost the war.

The second was the original conflict between the Arabs and Jews living in Mandatory Palestine.

When the British endorsed the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Mandatory Palestine and when the UN endorsed the partition plan to end the conflict, the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected it.

You can't start a war, get pushed out by the conflict, then claim that you are the victim because you tried to kill off an entire ethnic group and lost.

That doesn't work.

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