StationOost t1_j5bg6vb wrote on January 21, 2023 at 8:00 PM

Apparently Germany is the only western country that has tanks or something.

Skrivus t1_j5dglj7 wrote on January 22, 2023 at 4:47 AM

The issue is not Germany providing tanks, they are preventing others from doing so. Other countries (Poland, Spain, and others) have agreed to transfer their Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Problem is because there's an export control agreement with Germany, Germany has to give permission to the other countries to transfer their tanks.

View is that a couple hundred capable tanks are being held up by Germany.

Britain has offered up some Challenger 2 tanks but there's not as many.

US has a ton of M1 Abrams but logistics are more difficult due to them using turbine engines and running on jet fuel instead of diesel.

Bronskungen t1_j5eaotr wrote on January 22, 2023 at 10:55 AM

It might pose a logistical challenge, but why not offer them Abrams? Free tanks are better than no tanks even if a blitz offensive might be hard due to logistics. Or has Ukraine already turned them down?

PumpkinManGuy t1_j5dbm7y wrote on January 22, 2023 at 4:03 AM

Abrams have some logistical issues that the Ukrainians would mightily struggle with, and as far as I am aware (I could be very wrong) Germany is the producer of Leopard 2's and must give permission for those to be given to Ukraine.

Skrivus t1_j5df0co wrote on January 22, 2023 at 4:32 AM

Abrams tanks have turbine engines using a very different fuel than all of the other vehicles Ukraine is using. Essentially Jet Fuel vs Diesel fuel. Leopard 2 tanks use diesel.