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Acceptable-Village95 t1_j5np6qh wrote

Real change against deforestation may really start now, humans are choppin this trees so damn fast💨 They must be chopped down before too late. Save the world🌎

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Efficient-Ad-3302 t1_j5o0isc wrote

Canada is also decimating our forests at a quickening pace.

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79r100 t1_j5oegxa wrote

The amount of lumber that goes into any residential structure is dumbfounding. I think about that a lot while cutting off the extra 12” from whatever board I’m cutting. And the dumpsters. Oh god, the construction debris.

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SirrNicolas t1_j5p23fn wrote

Think about the metric tons of wood pulp we dispose of instead of recycling into paper products.

Like a cutting board that sends the scraps to the floor

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79r100 t1_j5p6may wrote

It is stomach-turning.

No matter how I do the math when measuring for trim there is always waste. Mistakes, bad pieces, etc.

TBH, the high prices have probably contributed to people being mote cautious with their take-offs for lumber.

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Rreknhojekul t1_j5q115a wrote

Trees are a renewable resource.

It doesn’t really seem like it’s a terrible problem.

You have to also consider that the wood you’re disposing off is mostly made from carbon that’s been pulled from the atmosphere too.

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InfiNorth t1_j5q7k4u wrote

Trees may be renewable, forests are not. When you decimate an entire ecosystem that took thousands of years to become the diverse space that was, it never goes back to what it was.

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Rreknhojekul t1_j5q90hk wrote

It is quite possible to sustainably manage forests. Obviously what is happening in the Amazon is not at all comparable to this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_forest_management

>The stewardship and use of forests and forest lands in a way, and at a rate, that maintains their biodiversity, productivity, regeneration capacity, vitality and their potential to fulfill, now and in the future, relevant ecological, economic and social functions, at local, national, and global levels, and that does not cause damage to other ecosystems.

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InfiNorth t1_j5q9zlx wrote

No, "management" is a human invention to try to take excessive control over the natural environment for the extraction of it's resources.

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EverythingIsDumb-273 t1_j5qceft wrote

Well, true, but that's what we have always done. Even if you live in a cave, you'll still have to extract something.

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InfiNorth t1_j5qm436 wrote

>always done

Sorry, explain to me which indigenous peoples of the Americas clearcut entire mountain ranges and river basins three hundred years ago?

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LongFluffyDragon t1_j5qzniv wrote

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InfiNorth t1_j5rks3d wrote

You are literally claiming that clearcut logging has "always been done." It hasn't. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary answers.

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LongFluffyDragon t1_j5rl5ts wrote

I am quite sure i never said that, and i cant see any signs anyone else did either. All in your head, clearly time to take a long break.

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godisanelectricolive t1_j5rq3p8 wrote

I'm pretty sure they meant some kind of forest management has always been done, not the practice of clearcutting. I would argue the ancient practice of controlled burning is the perfect example of sustainable forest management that's beneficial to both humans and ecosystems. Far from being pristine wilderness untouched by human activity, Indigenous North Americans have long controlled the types of vegetation in a region using fire. Through controlled burning, they turned forests into grassland, savannah, open woodland and cleared undergrowth in forests to make travel more accessible. Slash and burn agriculture is also a tradition used by the Maya since time immemorial. The Yanomami of the Amazon also used also and burn.

Humans are part of the ecosystem and human intervention has long played a vital role in shaping the natural environment. It's not unnatural to extract resources or actively manage our surrounding environment, we just have to find ways of doing so that is complementary with nature. Logging is not inherently unsustainable, better forestry practices that prioritize preserving old-growth forests and protecting biodiversity are possible. Continuous cover forestry and close to nature forestry are two models that does not destroy the ecosystem and can even help create forests that are more resilient to wildfires. Using lumber does not require the destruction of entire ancient forests.

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EverythingIsDumb-273 t1_j5qc3ar wrote

True. Some places have laws to prevent clear-cutting and the like

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InfiNorth t1_j5qm5av wrote

Name some.

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joeminza t1_j5qmndb wrote

Algonquin park in ontario is a great example of sustainable forestry over a long period of time.

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InfiNorth t1_j5qoy1e wrote

No, it isn't. A park should not be a harvesting space. It is an example of long-term impacts of green washing, misinformation, and the failure of our education system.

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joeminza t1_j5qvnfw wrote

Ok Karen that's nice.

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InfiNorth t1_j5rdey6 wrote

You know you've won when your enemies jump into ad hominem attacks

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joeminza t1_j5re5wg wrote

Interesting take. You've definitely convinced me, I think I'll vote for Trudeau now while I'm at it.

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InfiNorth t1_j5rkld5 wrote

>I think I'll vote for Trudeau now while I'm at it.

Why, who did you vote for last time?

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79r100 t1_j5q3uv8 wrote

Yeah man. Makes sense and is different than what this article is about.

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spiralbatross t1_j5q5veh wrote

We should be using hemp for paper, but god forbid some stoner gets high!

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Blondeambitchion t1_j5p6elq wrote

Almost 50% of trees cut down go to pallets

At least residential structures are somewhat permanent. Pallets have to be replaced every couple years.

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79r100 t1_j5p7aox wrote

Omfg, is that true?

“Cancel that bonfire!!”

Ive always said high quality materials and labor is the greenest way to build. The amount of 10 year old remodels I have torn out is astounding.0

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the_clash_is_back t1_j5pfxvx wrote

Soft wood for residential comes from plantation tree farms. The trees are a crop just like corn, you grow them, cut them then regrow them.

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shipshapeshump t1_j5p903w wrote

It's softwood. stop worrying about it. You can grow a huge pine tree in 10 years.

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79r100 t1_j5pbimr wrote

I hope they are planting that shit fast enough.

Waste is waste.

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shipshapeshump t1_j5pbwhj wrote

People are too selfish. We'll just keep consuming and reproducing and consuming more. these days people think typing shit on line will make a difference. Not so long ago, it was actually a thing that tiktok dancing can help the war in Ukraine.

People are fucked. That's it in a nutshell. We will collectively do ourselves in and the world will be fine without us or with us at hugely reduced numbers.

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HobbitFoot t1_j5pinu5 wrote

It depends where it comes from. A lot of American wood now comes from industrial forests/tree farms.

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seapulse t1_j5pst1q wrote

I’d adore getting wood scraps jsyk so I think you can probably find someone who’s interested

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Hairybard t1_j5q4y42 wrote

Construction waste (hours and materials) is absurdly destructive. Work in constructing and tree planting. A housing revolution is needed.

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JoaoMXN t1_j6lrnhx wrote

This is an american culture because in brazil most houses are made with cinder or ceramic blocks.

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79r100 t1_j6ocoxo wrote

North American culture. Climate has a lot to do with it.

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LloydAtkinson t1_j5pgem2 wrote

Meanwhile other countries use bricks, because they are civilized. You can literally dig clay from almost anywhere on the planet.

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79r100 t1_j5phpza wrote

Have you tried to hire a mason lately?

Holy god, if anyone listening wants to make a good living and feels a little lost- become a brick tender and in 10 years you can name your price.

Make sure to get health coverage and cover yourself on your work comp policy. You’ll need it.

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RoscoePSoultrain t1_j5pr64g wrote

I tried but didn't know the secret tickle handshake.

Seriously though, being a mason is some hard yakka. Very high wrist loads, often with impact, and constant exposure to stone and concrete dust.

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seapulse t1_j5ptluk wrote

Don’t bricks have some amount of sand/concrete in them, which we are also facing a global shortage of? I’m the first person to protest deforestation, but there is something beneficial about a building material being farmable.

oh god minecraft has had it right all along

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ask-me-about-my-cats t1_j5qd2xm wrote

Yeah great let's use brick housing in California. That won't kill millions of people.

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LongFluffyDragon t1_j5r3qtx wrote

Mining is far from non-destructive, and you cant farm clay.

Building with bricks is also incredibly stupid in any area that gets hot or has earthquakes. We are going to see a lot of stone and brick buildings being torn down in europe in the next decade due to becoming uninhabitable.

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Acceptable-Village95 t1_j5o1f2d wrote

Now what’s needed it’s a domino effect, this world had enough of mankind exploiting even the air for making money. A great move

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Penguinkrug84 t1_j5oem7s wrote

Yeah, it’s heartbreaking, especially because it’s all to access the worst oil there is. So they’re destroying a carbon sink so as to access the worst type of carbon pollution. Makes no sense especially when considering we should be transitioning away from oil anyway. The forest is waaaaaay more valuable!

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THEBLOODYGAVEL t1_j5ojai9 wrote

New Brunswick looking like a lunar surface as soon as you drive off the mains roads.

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Efficient-Ad-3302 t1_j5ok607 wrote

There’s a logging operation just down the road from me. It’s fairly recent because they only started hauling wood a few days ago.

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MacaroniBandit214 t1_j5ombaa wrote

Im pretty sure the law requires them to replenish whatever they chop down

Boreal Forest

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sebirds t1_j5opixg wrote

Replenishing doesn't bring forests back. It merely brings back some trees. There is no biodiversity, and it takes decades, sometimes even centuries, for forests to gain back their native fauna and flora.

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HobbitFoot t1_j5pjtpl wrote

Yeah, but if you start banning the cutting of virgin forests, you can eventually get a sustainable industry. Sure, the tree farms aren't as biodiverse as you want them to be, but it is better than the alternative.

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sebirds t1_j5pmhn0 wrote

Yes I agree completely, but bulldozing virgin forest should stop asap. We need to start using the same land to produce timber instead of harvesting from new land. This isn't the case.

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MacaroniBandit214 t1_j5ot23w wrote

Are there inaccuracies to these claims? I’m genuinely asking because as far as I’m aware it sounds like bad business practice to destroy your supply provider

Low deforestation

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shipshapeshump t1_j5p9lgz wrote

Yes, massive inaccuracies and plenty of agenda and lies too for whatever reason.

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acebandaged t1_j5q0x3s wrote

Businesses don't give two shits about what the landscape will look like in 50 years. Sustainability would require them to give up some profits in the short term, which is unacceptable for most. Just look at the fishing industry!

Also, new forests are nowhere near as effective at carbon capture and storage as old-growth forests.

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shipshapeshump t1_j5p9i2w wrote

Incorrect. Look what happened when people shut themselves inside for a few months. Biodiversity started immediately.

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teluetetime t1_j5pxlgw wrote

The process starts immediately, sure. But it takes time, and extinct species never come back. Nature isn’t magic.

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Efficient-Ad-3302 t1_j5on04w wrote

I don’t know about other companies but I know Irving doesn’t always replant

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MacaroniBandit214 t1_j5otuc1 wrote

Which Irving? The only one I see is JD Irving and claims that on average each of their tree planters plants 12,000-15,000 a week

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shipshapeshump t1_j5p9c81 wrote

People are in hysteria in this thread. There is no reasoning with hysterical alarmists when they start going nuts about pine trees that grow back inside of a few years after cutting a patch.

People are stupid. Sitting there burning energy with slacktivism while complaining about stuff they are pretty much clueless about. Amazing.

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Mental-Mushroom t1_j5pa71c wrote

Not boreal, but they just had to close a pulp mill in Prince George BC because they logged the whole area dry.

Logging trucks were driving 8 hours away to get logs.

And the government enabled all of the over logging.

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the_clash_is_back t1_j5pfsee wrote

The bigger issue is the old growth in bc. The younger trees in the boreal forest can be responsibly harvested. But old growth never comes back.

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oh_am_i t1_j5s03tx wrote

They just realized in Finland that chopping the forests does not help in cutting down CO2 emissions. They were actually surprised about this turn of events.

I can’t even.

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shipshapeshump t1_j5p8wzb wrote

Not really. We replace pretty much everything that gets cut down. Much of the Boreal forest is untouched. Most of the trees that get cut are softwoods and take very short time periods to replace through replanting.

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GANTRITHORE t1_j5pu473 wrote

60% of tree loss in Canada is from fires.

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acebandaged t1_j5q48mq wrote

Much of the fire losses in the US are due to irresponsible management and a lack of natural fire cycles, I assume Canada has similar issues. Still doesn't negate the damage we're doing by cutting old-growth forests.

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VoluptuousBalrog t1_j5o4qts wrote

A massive proportion of deforestation right now is due to illegal logging in Russia.

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WeatherwaxDaughter t1_j5oj97i wrote

Yeah, but they will benefit from climate change. Siberia will warm up, and there's so much oil and gas to be found there. So there it is. Some of the biggest countries will do shit for the planet, just for those precious fossil fuels.

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unabnormalday t1_j5ply69 wrote

I’m not saying it’s not a problem, but being realistic, there are more trees than stars in our galaxy. I think we have some time on the trees. The real issue is how much CO2 we’re dumping into the atmosphere

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shipshapeshump t1_j5p8ks1 wrote

The world is fine. Trees grow back. most of the oxygen doesn't come from trees, it comes from the ocean. Brazil needs a flourishing economy too. The world is not a reserve in case the developed nations fuck up and need to run and hide somewhere after all.

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Redshift_1 t1_j5ps4dc wrote

Overall, the trees have been cut faster than they’ve grown. In 1950, about 15% of earths land was covered by rainforests. Today, it’s less than half that.

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flaccidcolon t1_j5p1n0m wrote

Wow, is this good news I'm reading?

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CalmRadBee t1_j5q0fbx wrote

Lula is hope for a better world!

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beckeiche t1_j5qlcrm wrote

He is a politician. He will do everything and anything to show he is the good guy ! Truly hope this time around show results. Cuz the last time his government lead to a broken economy a rise of right wing extremism and at shit ton of money missing from public funds ….

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CalmRadBee t1_j5qp2h0 wrote

Luckily he has a proven track record of fighting for social progress and unions. Right wing extremism reactionaries will always rise when leftist leaders stand up

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beckeiche t1_j5qpa8h wrote

Also have a awesome track record of not keeping track of public money in place and using those progressive policies to further funnel money into his Allie’s and him self pretty awesome IMR !!!

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CalmRadBee t1_j5qpenv wrote

Can you send me your source so we can discuss?

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beckeiche t1_j5qq1gl wrote

Don’t you have google ? Or u are going to reference the fact they annulled the sentence just because it was second conviction (bullshit law) and not because it wasn’t true ? Ask the investors if they got their money back hahaha

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Outlander_-_ t1_j5rzss2 wrote

“Even though Lula is not in the dock, it his government and his political machine that are there on trial,” Cesar said.

Oh so it wasn’t Lula… just some people left over from his government.

Your bias is showing, my guy.

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ZeroBearing t1_j5skvf6 wrote

Why is the left always blamed for the rise of right wing extremism?

That shit is grassroots

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Chu2k t1_j5qnfe3 wrote

Depends. These Brazilian indians have shown time and time again that they love money more than their ancestral lands, nature, etc.

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LedParade t1_j5nsavb wrote

Sounds like a move in the right direction. I just hope the indigenous leaders have what it takes to fairly manage the land and won’t fall into corruption.

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Chu2k t1_j5qnqq7 wrote

Sorry to say these brazilian indians have always been corrupt. Its more of a stunt than anything else.

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rocketmallu t1_j5ogxid wrote

>Sounds like a move in the right direction

You think the US is just going to sit back and let it happen?

Edit: Wow, so many downvotes. When was the last time the US supported democratically elected South American governments who nationalize or stop exploitation of their national resources

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julian509 t1_j5owz9o wrote

What would make you think the US would move to stop this change? The fact that the US has been demanding Brazil to reduce rainforest cutting for years now?

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miscellaneous-bs t1_j5okzx6 wrote

The US isn't the primary driver of deforestation in Brazil.

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rocketmallu t1_j5poj5a wrote

Not directly no, but a majority of the deforestation is due to cattle ranchers who export beef to the US.

Ending deforestation in the Amazon threatens the American way of life,v and reduces American’s freedom to consume beef

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bay_duck_88 t1_j5qdau4 wrote

Nearly all the beef consumed in the US comes from domestic cows. It’s Europe that eats the Amazonian beef.

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Redqueenhypo t1_j5pbkly wrote

The US has all the beef it needs, Brazil isn’t even one of our largest sellers. Also we have an enormous managed timber industry. There is no financial incentive for us to sabotage this.

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SjurEido t1_j5ppsok wrote

It's so cute that you think the US will do something in the name of the greater good.

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rocketmallu t1_j5pqf5o wrote

I think you misinterpret. The US has never supported or allowed democratically elected governments in South America.

Indigenous people taking over their natural resources?

USA: not on my watch

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SjurEido t1_j5q6kgn wrote

I did absolutely misinterpret you. My bad, you're right.

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pk10534 t1_j5qh1ht wrote

Really? The US hasn’t supported just about every democratically elected president of Colombia? The US doesn’t support Lula, Rouseff or Bolsonaro? How about in Chile and Argentina, neither of which are under authoritarian rule and still enjoy US support?

I get the CIA did some shitty things back in the mid-20th century, but good god that statement is absurd.

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kenbewdy8000 t1_j5ntgzf wrote

Paying deforesting farmers to reforest would be a good first step.

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CernelDS t1_j5opisn wrote

They just pocket the money instead

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_SpaceTimeContinuum t1_j5oqtd3 wrote

Not if the money has strings attached and they get prosecuted for misusing the money.

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Chu2k t1_j5qowxn wrote

Reality is harsh in these developing countries. In things like agrarian reforms, poor farmers are handed land by the government that in the end is illegally sold to big farmers and then new protests arise asking for more land. This has been going for decades.

Same goes for the “Protected Reserves” of the natives. Everyone is just about the money.

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SMLiberator t1_j5owpou wrote

they deserve jailtime, not payment

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teluetetime t1_j5py0cs wrote

The forest isn’t helped by moral satisfaction. Jailing all those people is a project that will never be completed, even if it is correct. (And that’s a big if.)

Creating better economic incentives can change people’s behavior, and is actually possible.

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InquisitiveGamer t1_j5px76m wrote

Better to throw them off their land because they obviously don't care about animals or the environment.

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autotldr t1_j5nrdhj wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)


> "As Ms. Wapichana performed the ritual, Indigenous people and government officials enthusiastically chanted"Yoohoo! Funai is ours!'' - a reference to the agency she will lead. Environmentalists, Indigenous people, and voters sympathetic to their causes were important to Mr. Lula's narrow victory over former President Jair Bolsonaro.

> Mr. Lula has more control in designating Indigenous territories, which are the best-preserved regions in the Amazon.

> Mr. Lula is under pressure to create 13 new Indigenous territories - a process that had stalled under Mr. Bolsonaro, who kept his promise not to grant "One more inch" of land to Indigenous peoples.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Indigenous^#1 Lula^#2 Amazon^#3 Bolsonaro^#4 environmental^#5

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geophilo t1_j5occtq wrote

I really hope this works out. Seems like Lula has at least some priorities straight. A rare sight in today's world leadership.

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CalmRadBee t1_j5q0cqh wrote

Some? Across the board he has amazing ideals, hopefully the Bolsonaro supporting military doesn't step in here and prevent progress.

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666ilent t1_j5q2oqr wrote

Last time he was president Brazil had the largest economic growth in 30 years. Brazil became a net creditor and was taken off the world hunger list. I think lula is more than qualified to deal with this

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beckeiche t1_j5qftje wrote

Then Dilma collected the fruit of all his good deeds right ? So much the population was 100% behind him and his party ,and didn’t elect a dumb right wing dictator wannabe! And no money was robbed and no corruption cases arose ! And he never invested money outside of the country when the country needed inside !! …. Oh wait … that also didn’t happen

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LLJKCicero t1_j5qq4m2 wrote

> Across the board he has amazing ideals

Not in foreign policy, where he does the "both sides" thing when it comes to Russian invading Ukraine.

Domestically he seems pretty great though.

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CalmRadBee t1_j5r34de wrote

The global south has been exploited by western hegemony for a long time, he has good reason to be suspect of NATO expansion.

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LLJKCicero t1_j5r3f8d wrote

Being critical of NATO is fine.

Acting like Russia and 'the West'/Ukraine have anywhere close to equal culpability for this invasion is not.

> suspect of NATO expansion.

Gee, I wonder why Ukraine might want to be a part of NATO? Truly, it is a mystery for the ages.

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CalmRadBee t1_j5r4u8e wrote

I agree with you on the intentions behind the invasion. I have a few opinions and theories on the true nature of it.

No need to be snarky. Or course it's obvious. Nonetheless NATO definitely shouldn't be meddling that far east. This whole thing, without a doubt, is Russia and the West testing the boundaries. Russia has all the reason to not want NATO expanding to its borders, and NATO has all the reason to want the war to go on as long as possible and to deplete Russia of everything it has. The war is dumb as hell and needs to end, people are dying so two world powers can flex and exhaust

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LLJKCicero t1_j5r58x4 wrote

> Nonetheless NATO definitely shouldn't be meddling that far east.

Ukraine is a sovereign country with more-than-obvious reason to be worried about Russia. Of course they want to join NATO, they have excellent reasons for wanting that.

Framing is as "NATO meddling" is bullshit dictator apologia. Try asking Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania how "NATO meddling" has gone for them.

> Russia has all the reason to not want NATO expanding to its borders

You mean the borders NATO is already at, especially with the Baltic states? You make it sound like NATO isn't already there. How much has NATO used those countries to invade Russia so far?

And yes, Russia has an obvious reason for not wanting NATO to expand further along its borders: it makes it much harder for them to invade anyone, slaughter civilians, and take more land.

> The war is dumb as hell and needs to end, people are dying so two world powers can flex and exhaust

Obviously. But Russia can leave whenever they want and it'd be fine. Ukraine giving up means surrendering land and the ongoing lives of those people to Russian control, or even giving up their entire state, as Putin tried in the beginning of last year.

Russia needs to be forced to stop. Any other outcome is favoring Putin.

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79r100 t1_j5oe40z wrote

I’m all for the support Ukraine is getting but an equal amount from all western nations should go to this administration to protect it’s forests. For the sake of our planet.

To me, this is a great way to start the year of the rabbit. Heal this motherfucker.

Edited for shit sentence structure

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CalmRadBee t1_j5q0pv6 wrote

Unfortunately Lula is further left than most western nations, who will dismantle Socialist nations at first opportunity

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vitorgrs t1_j5q8mfk wrote

Lula is not socialist though lol

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CalmRadBee t1_j5qp7s5 wrote

Lol what do you think the workers party is? Do some research bud

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vitorgrs t1_j5qqk04 wrote

I'm Brazilian, pretty sure I know what Workers Party is.

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CalmRadBee t1_j5r2wx3 wrote

Social democrat then, either way my statement stands regarding western powers

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beckeiche t1_j5qg3g1 wrote

He is a communist when it comes to the population money and his friends pockets right ?

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vitorgrs t1_j5qgd1j wrote

being a thief has no relation to ideology, if that's what you mean.

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beckeiche t1_j5qgflr wrote

Ussr would like to disagree with you

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vitorgrs t1_j5qhq1p wrote

I also have a plenty of corrupt right-wingers people. What are you saying?

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TakeCareOfYourM0ther t1_j5oo63n wrote

Brazil is giving us the best news in the world recently. It really is time to crack down on ecological murder.

How is destroying an ecosystem not a crime of the highest order?!

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loading066 t1_j5omxro wrote

The more I read, Lula seems quite the 180 for Brazil and in a good way.

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Erazerhead-5407 t1_j5p6d1n wrote

The world needs to follow Lula’s example. It’s the only way to assure that our children’s children will have a planet that they can live on with clean air and clean water. It’s in the best interest of all concerned. I’m sure mother nature will reward us for looking after her.

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thecapent t1_j5otgpd wrote

As if being "indigenous" makes them the purest of souls that cannot be corrupted.

Already happened several times, actually.

Just see Operation Nambikwara where 15 leaders collected fees to allow miners and loggers into their territory. Or the case of Chieftain Damião Paridzané from Xavante clan that received nearly a million per month from 'ruralists' and loggers to exploit his clan's land. The Operation Warari Koxi, where the Federal Police found several Yanomami natives working with illegal miners devastating the forest to illegally extract gold from their reservation. The chieftan Darlan Guajajara de Sousa who used his tribe as headquarters for drug traffic... and goes on and on.

These are politicians, being "indigenous" is just a part of their identity. Take that news with a grain of salt and for what it's worth: a publicity stunt.

For my part, what I want to see is the Federal Police going hard against illegal miners, drug dealers and illegal loggers operating in the Amazon region, and increasing spending in satellite and radar monitoring. Furthermore, the very hard conundrum of "how to give opportunities for natives to thrive without destroying their identity and land" needs real solutions.

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fuliculifulicula t1_j5pqxjl wrote

That would be a fair point, if the appointed indigenous leaders were appointed solely because of their identity.

You seem to know a lot about indigenous peoples from Brasil, so you probably know who Raoni, Sonia Guajajara em Wania Wapichana are.

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blackdynomitesnewbag t1_j5p609m wrote

Yeah, you’re right. They’re not pure good, so let’s not involve them in policy decisions that directly effect them

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Child-0f-atom t1_j5oy2pd wrote

Unrelated, anyone know what’s going on with the person on the left in that photo? Asking here because I have no idea what to google, I’m really curious about what I’m looking at.

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loggiews OP t1_j5p36au wrote

Raoni Metuktire, indigenous leader of the Kayapo people. He was candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2020 for his lifetime defense of the Amazon rainforest.

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KamikazeAlpaca1 t1_j5pihh4 wrote

It’s a light wood lip disc that traditionally signifies important people like a great orator or chief.

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DELAIZ t1_j5p9926 wrote

but let that not be their main focus, only for foreigners applauded. For years loggers, prospectors and farmers have been carrying out atrocities with indigenous peoples at the level of Nazi Germany.this should be the main focus. genocide, the rape of girls, the invasion of villages.

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FliccC t1_j5qf0w6 wrote

Lula is a hero.

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beckeiche t1_j5psgin wrote

I truly hope this goes as intended. While I full hearted agree Bolsonaro had to go ! I will say that Lula been there before and said he did it . But when actually looking at it . he didn’t The money went to every one pockets and very little to the actual conservation

Hope I am wrong … but corruption runs rampant in my country and everyone finds a way to funnel money out and consequently fking the whole thing up .. from both sides

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Amiguinho-Gringo t1_j5qdcmo wrote

I agree, I think people don't understand the deep corruption that was not only a part of Bolsonaro's administration, but also Lula and PT.

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PinkJellyfishe t1_j5qoj39 wrote

I legit taught Brazil had giving up giving a fck about the Amazon forest and its indigenous people, that's really good news for so early in his presidency

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Penguinkrug84 t1_j5oed40 wrote

I am so excited for this! I was a kid when Ferngully came out and ever since watching that movie I have been furious at the lack of care for the Amazon and other forests globally. I am hoping and praying these will be the first steps towards actual protection for the Amazon!

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Tommy_Batch t1_j5q3w6a wrote

THAT should rally the right winger wealthy.

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jryan3160 t1_j5t852j wrote

This is great to hear. Let’s hope too much damage has not already been done

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SjurEido t1_j5ppp46 wrote

And just like that, the conservatives ate probably talking civil war.

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Pagiras t1_j5qnl6g wrote

Finally! Some good fucking news.

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anlumo t1_j5qwem8 wrote

As far as I've heard, reforestation of the Amazon isn't possible, because it's a fragile ecosystem that can't regrow once the nutrients have been washed away by rain.

I'll take a few million years to grow back, not the four years mentioned in the article.

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CharToll t1_j5p89gb wrote

Quite the sea change in Brazil. Had Bolsonaro won, those people would be packing their things around surrounded by a smoldering Amazon.

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Odd_Imagination_6617 t1_j5r0olq wrote

At some point we are all going to have to sit down and finally talk about progress, if you want to remain making the same mistakes then appoint people who will get into the way at every chance possible like these folks. Move aside let the country build itself, we could be one hell of a great place if people backed off and saw the bigger picture, we know nothing about our planet and it’s climate. Planet changed dramatically over the short course of humanities existence and if we weren’t so deluded as a species there would be no conflict

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Seabrook76 t1_j5oygvx wrote

Why is homeboy in the back holding an ashtray in his mouth?

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KamikazeAlpaca1 t1_j5pi9ck wrote

That’s their lower lip wrapped around a disc. I believe it’s called a lip plate. It’s a traditional body modification that has been invented independently around the world a few times. In South America the largest plates are worn by the greatest orators and war chiefs, such as Chief Raoni of the Kayapo tribe shown in this picture, a well known environmental campaigner. Most are made of light wood.

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Seabrook76 t1_j5q9zq8 wrote

I legit thought he was holding something. Did not know our lips could stretch like that. Ouch.

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