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79r100 t1_j5p6may wrote

It is stomach-turning.

No matter how I do the math when measuring for trim there is always waste. Mistakes, bad pieces, etc.

TBH, the high prices have probably contributed to people being mote cautious with their take-offs for lumber.


Rreknhojekul t1_j5q115a wrote

Trees are a renewable resource.

It doesn’t really seem like it’s a terrible problem.

You have to also consider that the wood you’re disposing off is mostly made from carbon that’s been pulled from the atmosphere too.


InfiNorth t1_j5q7k4u wrote

Trees may be renewable, forests are not. When you decimate an entire ecosystem that took thousands of years to become the diverse space that was, it never goes back to what it was.


Rreknhojekul t1_j5q90hk wrote

It is quite possible to sustainably manage forests. Obviously what is happening in the Amazon is not at all comparable to this.

>The stewardship and use of forests and forest lands in a way, and at a rate, that maintains their biodiversity, productivity, regeneration capacity, vitality and their potential to fulfill, now and in the future, relevant ecological, economic and social functions, at local, national, and global levels, and that does not cause damage to other ecosystems.


InfiNorth t1_j5q9zlx wrote

No, "management" is a human invention to try to take excessive control over the natural environment for the extraction of it's resources.


EverythingIsDumb-273 t1_j5qceft wrote

Well, true, but that's what we have always done. Even if you live in a cave, you'll still have to extract something.


InfiNorth t1_j5qm436 wrote

>always done

Sorry, explain to me which indigenous peoples of the Americas clearcut entire mountain ranges and river basins three hundred years ago?


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InfiNorth t1_j5rks3d wrote

You are literally claiming that clearcut logging has "always been done." It hasn't. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary answers.


LongFluffyDragon t1_j5rl5ts wrote

I am quite sure i never said that, and i cant see any signs anyone else did either. All in your head, clearly time to take a long break.


godisanelectricolive t1_j5rq3p8 wrote

I'm pretty sure they meant some kind of forest management has always been done, not the practice of clearcutting. I would argue the ancient practice of controlled burning is the perfect example of sustainable forest management that's beneficial to both humans and ecosystems. Far from being pristine wilderness untouched by human activity, Indigenous North Americans have long controlled the types of vegetation in a region using fire. Through controlled burning, they turned forests into grassland, savannah, open woodland and cleared undergrowth in forests to make travel more accessible. Slash and burn agriculture is also a tradition used by the Maya since time immemorial. The Yanomami of the Amazon also used also and burn.

Humans are part of the ecosystem and human intervention has long played a vital role in shaping the natural environment. It's not unnatural to extract resources or actively manage our surrounding environment, we just have to find ways of doing so that is complementary with nature. Logging is not inherently unsustainable, better forestry practices that prioritize preserving old-growth forests and protecting biodiversity are possible. Continuous cover forestry and close to nature forestry are two models that does not destroy the ecosystem and can even help create forests that are more resilient to wildfires. Using lumber does not require the destruction of entire ancient forests.


EverythingIsDumb-273 t1_j5qc3ar wrote

True. Some places have laws to prevent clear-cutting and the like


InfiNorth t1_j5qm5av wrote

Name some.


joeminza t1_j5qmndb wrote

Algonquin park in ontario is a great example of sustainable forestry over a long period of time.


InfiNorth t1_j5qoy1e wrote

No, it isn't. A park should not be a harvesting space. It is an example of long-term impacts of green washing, misinformation, and the failure of our education system.


joeminza t1_j5qvnfw wrote

Ok Karen that's nice.


InfiNorth t1_j5rdey6 wrote

You know you've won when your enemies jump into ad hominem attacks


joeminza t1_j5re5wg wrote

Interesting take. You've definitely convinced me, I think I'll vote for Trudeau now while I'm at it.


InfiNorth t1_j5rkld5 wrote

>I think I'll vote for Trudeau now while I'm at it.

Why, who did you vote for last time?


79r100 t1_j5q3uv8 wrote

Yeah man. Makes sense and is different than what this article is about.