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choose_an_alt_name t1_j6on1lt wrote

Reply to comment by SentientHotdogWater in Brazil's Lula cold-shoulders Germany's Scholz on Ukraine support by Available_Hamster_44

Didn't you read it? The concequences are felt literally to this day

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SentientHotdogWater t1_j6oyjkn wrote

Also I feel an entire new reply is needed to address the whitewashing of Brazilian colonialism in your earlier comment.

Unless you're one of the 0.43% of the Brazilian population that is indigenous or are the descendant of exclusively slaves than you're a member of the group that carried out the genocide of the native populations and you're living on stolen land.

Can you imagine if people from the US tried to pull the shit you're doing?

"Oh you see, it was the English, French, Spanish, and Russians that originally took our land from the Native Americans so we aren't really responsible"

Sounds pretty ridiculous doesn't it?

Ditto for slavery.

Can you imagine if people from the US tried to pretend they weren't responsible for slavery since it was instituted by the English?

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choose_an_alt_name t1_j6p2twu wrote

Wrong, the group that carried out the original genocide is long since dead as are the original people who lived here, the ones who currently live here are a mix of several immigration waves that came mainly AFTER slavery was abolished, the ex-slaves, some natives and the decendents of the colonizers, these groups were already mixed before and after so much time there is no longer a simple part of the population that you can point as the ones who did all these things, the remaining natives today are mainly tribes that were not discovered untill much latter, most of the ones that were discovered either died or joined the mix

Or are you going to Tell me the japanese that came at the beggining of the 1900s are guilty of these things?

But that is beside the point while the people here have become something entirely different, you can still point at the general direction where they came, even if most of their names have long since been forgoten

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SentientHotdogWater t1_j6p50x7 wrote

>Wrong, the group that carried out the original genocide is long since dead as are the original people who lived here, the ones who currently live here are a mix of several immigration waves that came mainly AFTER slavery was abolished, the ex-slaves, some natives and the decendents of the colonizers, these groups were already mixed before and after so much time there is no longer a simple part of the population that you can point as the ones who did all these things, the remaining natives today are mainly tribes that were not discovered untill much latter, most of the ones that were discovered either died or joined the mix

I'm sorry, were you under the impression that the US is a nation of immortals and the same people who colonized Virginia in 1608 are still alive and kicking?...

This is literally. exactly. the same situation as in the US, and guess what? Americans are still responsible for the genocide of the natives just like you. You're living on stolen land, in a society founded upon the genocide of the natives and built on the backs of African slaves.

Are the Japanese that came to live on stolen land in the 1900s complicit? Well let's see, they're living on stolen land as part of a colonial society founded upon the genocide of the native peoples, so yes. Just like an Italian family who immigrated to the US in the 1900s is complicit.

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choose_an_alt_name t1_j6p6sdk wrote

You missed my point, the people, as in their ethnicity, is basicaly gone, what exists now is mostly a mix involving natives, centuries of african slaves and several waves of asians and europeans, all this groups had a Lot of interacial marriage, to the point it's nearly Impossible to know much about ones roots

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SentientHotdogWater t1_j6ow9dq wrote

OP said, and I'm quoting them here, "every single year several times the death toll of the Ukraine war occurs in South America due to exploitation from the USA and Western Europe".

The combined deaths from the Russian and Ukrainian militaries along with the civilian casualties adds up to nearly a quarter of a million people who have died in the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Which means that in order for it to be true that "several times" the amount of people killed in the Ukrainian war to die from American and European exploitation a minimum of half a million people would have to die from that each and every year.

Minimum of half a million. Every. Single. Year.

That's completely ridiculous and obviously untrue.

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