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100percentwhey t1_j6awuvt wrote

Don't the Russians have a "Pravda" newspaper too and it's largely understood as ironic since it's almost zero truth? Or am I thinking the Soviets?

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Pyrocitor t1_j6cc0sf wrote

Ukraine was worse when Russia was trying to convert it into a puppet state à la Belarus.

The revolution in 2014 and the elections of newly formed parties after then have been digging those claws out.

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Paniray t1_j6c3g1g wrote

Your perceptions of Ukraine was worse, and you’ve really highlighted your knowledge about the country for now.

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Worried_Astronaut_41 t1_j6d3m2n wrote

Sounds like my husband's he thinks Ukraine is hiding some kind of bio terror lab or something crazy he heard conspiracy wise which is why he thought Russia started the whole war. I was like your joking right you don't get it. That's all propaganda and they just want power and land.

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Paniray t1_j6e0n0f wrote

I wish I could have a chat and show him otherwise.

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AlbaMcAlba t1_j6eet1q wrote

I had a lady come here to get something she bought on market place .. she told me how Ukraine was stealing children and locking them in basements. She knew this because she had contacts in the US military .. I shit you not!

Told her to take her delusions elsewhere.

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DuncanYoudaho t1_j6c2xs8 wrote

Pravda in Ukraine is real journalism.

Corruption was worst in industries that made actual money.

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HappyAmbition706 t1_j6ecuok wrote

Ukraine was pretty bad, but not worse than Russia. After all, they were totally immersed in the USSR and its Russian system of corruption. They've been trying to lift themselves out of that hole after the USSR collapsed and they regained independence. And for a long time with little progress, since the corruption was deep, widespread and permeated the systems of government and power.

But they were trying, and making some progress. That's even one of the reasons Russia invaded. Russia was losing the usual levers of control.

For sure there is still plenty of corrupted people and systems in Ukraine, but they are (mostly) fighting for their lives like everyone else. To use the foreign aid well, to keep it coming, to join the EU as soon as possible, and to rebuild their country as fast as possible are big incentives to fight corruption now and going forward.

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DoomDark99 t1_j6cqbm6 wrote

Exactly…somehow Ukraine is a hero and a model of truth, honesty and integrity..,sheesh

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pstric t1_j6b9h8t wrote

I seem to remember an old Soviet joke about there being no true stories in Izvestia (news) and no news in Pravda (truth).

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C2Midnight t1_j6cs4ae wrote

"There's no truth in the news, and no news in the truth"

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maradak t1_j6c9xh2 wrote

Wouldn't it be other way around?

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pstric t1_j6cgy0b wrote

No, I don't think so. Each paper delivered exactly what the name said, and only that.

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lateforcourt t1_j6c9gji wrote

Us Americans have a right-wing racist social network called "Truth Social" run by a right-wing racist former President, so the irony isn't lost on us.

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Electrical-Can-7982 t1_j6cg923 wrote

when you think of word "Pravda" and how it is used in mdeia, think about the word "times" and how many newspapers uses that word. The use of Pravda is the same in eastern europe. Doesnt mean it (the media) is own or controled by Russia..

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Jorge_de_la_jungla t1_j6ggnlj wrote

Seriously, thanks for the explanation, but probably about time they drop the word Pravda and maybe try The Herald, The Examiner, and The Town Crier...LOL. After living through the Cold War, Pravda has an immediate negative connotation and most won't do the research you have done.

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HobGoblin2 t1_j6br2al wrote

>Don't the Russians have a "Pravda" newspaper too

Who cares?

It's all going to be a nonsense.

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