[deleted] t1_j60s6an wrote on January 26, 2023 at 10:13 PM

Reply to comment by MrPapillon in A Russian graveyard reveals Wagner's prisoner army by reuters

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MrPapillon t1_j60vsfe wrote on January 26, 2023 at 10:37 PM

I have not seen any evidence that they forced recruitment from prisons. All bit of information I have seen is that it was on a voluntary basis. Unlike the army that is mobilizing people in a very chaotic and brutal way.

CSI_Tech_Dept t1_j61f452 wrote on January 27, 2023 at 12:52 AM

If as you admit, the mobilization is chaotic and brutal what do you think they do with prisoners, especially as they used as cannon fodder by Wagner goup? The organization that originally supposed to not exist and also using which is against Russian constitution?

MrPapillon t1_j62trv5 wrote on January 27, 2023 at 8:43 AM

I don't have to imagine anything. These are different organizations with different philosophies and different goals. The army can mobilize at will, Wagner is a private international entity that has to attract people, now and after the war.

The point of using facts is to avoid unnecessary extrapolation, especially when we are far from having the optimal knowledge. Until now, I have not seen any claim that Wagner is forcing recruitments in prisons elsewhere, it is just comments in this thread by people who like to extrapolate everything to shape their own world. Much like for some people Putin is already dead and replaced by look-a-likes, etc. It's just disinformation and noise.

CSI_Tech_Dept t1_j62x4lm wrote on January 27, 2023 at 9:30 AM

They had video smashing guy's skull because he surrendered. If they operated legally the guy would be sued for breach of contract at most.

What facts do you have regarding PMC that few months ago we were told it doesn't exist? Now we know it is operating side by side with the Russian army.

MrPapillon t1_j62z9yp wrote on January 27, 2023 at 10:00 AM

The fact that they act out of legality does not allow baseless extrapolation. Legality is only one of the many and many constraints. I can imagine plenty of reasons for Wagner to not have the intent to force prison recruitments despite them smashing heads. The extrapolation is mostly bound by the limits of your imagination. That's why facts are important, to avoid plenty of disinformation from the variety of imagination of around the world.