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Reselects420 t1_j5uuwfj wrote

Reply to comment by vladimirraul in Spain calls second emergency meeting over murders of six more women by misana123

So not all domestic violence murders would classify as sexist under Spanish law? Just those where the reason was the victim thinking “women shouldn’t leave their husband” rather than “she left me, I want revenge”?

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vladimirraul t1_j5uvf4a wrote

Do you really think those two things can be separated? I mean other than by using different words.

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rogue_potato420 t1_j5vfaop wrote

I mean the second result could happen in any relationship regardless of gender, being upset at a former partner is not always sexist.

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vladimirraul t1_j5vg1tw wrote

Feeling OK about murdering them might well be though - keep in mind sexism is not always strictly about individual, consciously held beliefs but social mores, what society as a whole thinks is ok or not ok. Think about honor killings for example - it's never the guy that is killed! And even in so-called Western societies such as Spain or France, how often do women kill or beat their male partners? Not saying it doesn't happen at all mind you. There are reasons for this that have to do with values, and that is where sexism often silently resides.

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rogue_potato420 t1_j5vhm6d wrote

Right it certainly can be sexist crime, but I dont think we should always treat it as such. Wouldn't that be similar to treating all violence between different races as a hate crime?

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lilac_light t1_j5vsqhk wrote

So there is this term "femicide". It is a thing. Check out UNODC.1 in 3 women and 1 in 5 men are experiencing domestic violence. So the ratio is much higher for women. 2.5 in 100 000 in africa femicide // 1.4 in 100 000 in America // 1.2 in 100 000 in Oceania // 0.8 in Asia // 0.6 in Europe

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davidkali t1_j5w0m2d wrote

So 4760 women commit femicide per year in the US? I would worry more, but that’s like 1.4 per 100,000 women ..

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davidkali t1_j5w51h1 wrote

Oh god no. I hope Tate learns how to deal with his weakness.

I should have looked it up before I posted. I thought it was quite the reverse. I think from post context, I thought femicide was when women killed their domestic abuser. I have corrected my thinking.

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davidkali t1_j5wd8z3 wrote

Apology accepted. Now about the bit where I responded to your comment instead of editing my prior comment. Now my comment seems so out of context from where you originally posted asking if I was biased or a Tate lover. You edited your post. I prefer a continuation of conversations. Not backsies.

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Reselects420 t1_j5vrdgo wrote

Could the rate of murders not just be due to physical differences rather than sexism? Generally speaking, it’d be harder for a woman to kill a man, than the other way around.

I don’t understand how a crime could be sexist unless it’s on an individual level. What you’re saying doesn’t make sense to me. That’s the same as saying any white person committing a crime against a black person (in the US, UK, etc.) is committing a racist crime, regardless of whether or not the race was reason for the crime.

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lilac_light t1_j5y5x5y wrote

If you don't understand this topic start getting into facts of forensic psychology. There is a reasons that terms are terms.

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Rathalos143 t1_j685t4n wrote

The whole fact that a guy got the idea that is ok to get revenge for "leaving him" is sexist dude.

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Reselects420 t1_j687r1j wrote

Is a woman doing the same also sexist under Spanish law?

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Rathalos143 t1_j69cync wrote

Thats a extremely weird case and a minority. Im pretty sure it will be considered a revenge crime.

Now, the case of a woman getting killed by her ex partner, you need to take into consideration It is considered sexist because It is not an isolated case, but a trend. A trend caused by an archaic thought that men can control what women should do. Thats the difference, a woman killing her ex-boyfriend is an hypotethical case, while a man killing his ex-girlfriend is a common case related with hateful behaviour towards women.

If in a future the oppossite case of women killing men in masse happens and is bound to hate, then it will also need to be considered sexist.

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Reselects420 t1_j69dd9m wrote

Is there a way to determine whether a man killed an ex partner in a revenge / hate killing or a sexist killing? Like an interrogation or something.

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Rathalos143 t1_j69guao wrote

Yes, because there are patterns and they usually admit it.

Anyway, its not like you kill a woman then get inmediately accussed of sexism. Its you kill a woman -> you are investigated -> the investigation determines if it was due to sexism or another reason.

Now when its a male who kills his woman, it usually happens because there is already an abussive behaviour and he tends to use the force against her until It went too bad.

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