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ntbananas t1_j6jrh08 wrote

We're about as far as we've been from a two state solution any time in at least the past 50 years.

Bibi accepting extremists into his coalition to avoid corruption charges, Abbas likely dying of old age soon without any successor, and Hamas increasingly having a presence in the West Bank. Good fucking luck, Blinken


needypondy t1_j6js7k6 wrote

At this point, the Biden administration (and pretty much most governments in the world) accept that neither side is willing to make the politically explosive concessions necessary for a peace deal. For example, the Palestinians would likely need to give up their right of return, and Israel would need to give up many settlements and more.

I guess they’re just waiting until either side has their own Anwar Sadat. Until then, they mostly just want to avoid war with many casualties.


ntbananas t1_j6jt0rm wrote

Yep. Unfortunately it seems like a demographic issue as well. Current Israeli adults have predominantly lost trust in Palestinian leadership due to the intifadas plus the growing share of Haredim as a % of population. Will require some buffer time until (hopefully) the voter base has replenished with people who have not experienced intifadas. Similarly, Palestinian youth are increasingly affiliating themselves with Islamist groups (Hamas, PIJ, etc.) rather than secular groups. While I have plenty of criticism for the PLO/PA, at the very least they are ideologically able to make compromises and less tied up in religious absolutism.


grapehelium t1_j6jvwze wrote

I am not sure the PA/PLO is able to make any compromises. None of their leaders can accept a deal that gives them any less than arafat rejected.

In addition the Palestinians have consistently refused numerous offers of a state. As far as I can tell, they Palestinians have never compromised on any of their demands.

I expect they will get a state eventually, but it will be so long until they agree, it will be a fragment of what they could have had.

And then there is the other issue, that they have been unwilling to agree to the Israeli requirement that any agreement be the end of all claims. i.e The Palestinians cannot come back 10 years after a signed agreement and say they also want A,B,C. This is a major problem for them, as many Palestinians see an agreement with Israel as just a first step in reclaiming all of Palestine. As they regularly say - From the river (i.e. Jordan River) to the sea (i.e. mediterranean sea) Palestine will be free. i.e. no more Israel.

(not to mention that Hamas and the PA can't agree on very much, and that Even if Israel were willing to meet all the demands of the PA, Abbas isn't really a legitimate leader, being in the 19th year of his 4 year presidential term....)


ntbananas t1_j6jwqnl wrote

I don't really disagree with what you wrote. To clarify, I was referring to the PLO from the time around the Oslo Accords. While far, far from perfect, that showed they were at least willing to make some sort of compromise. Better and more rational than Hamas et al.

That said, the modern PA has made some compromises with Israel. Not in terms of a lasting peace plan or anything major, but they do generally (outside of particularly large flare-ups like this month) cooperate with Israel on day-to-day matters like minor civil things, taxation, and even limited security cooperation


bhuddistchipmonk t1_j6od2u5 wrote

Doesn’t seem like they’ve been doing much security cooperation recently (hence the recent raids in Jenin)


ntbananas t1_j6ofhxx wrote

True. But that was the case as of a couple months ago


cdnchronics t1_j6kruv1 wrote

>Anwar Sadat.

he was assasinated, and likely the next person who tries it will share the same fate, which is why the process is somewhat locked.

Past Leader of Jordan King Hussein, who normalized ties with israel in 94, drew parallels between Rabin's assassination and his grandfather's assassination in 1951. (The CIA handed King Hussein a detailed report in December 1995 warning him of a Syrian plot to assassinate him and his brother Hassan)

assassination attempts are made by extremists to undermine peace efforts.


needypondy t1_j6kvev5 wrote

Oh yeah. Any leader who makes those concessions immediately makes them target number 1 of many extremists on their respective side.


whitewalker646 t1_j6l3eq0 wrote

From what i have heard sadat had plans for peace between the PLO and Israel and wanted to start these negotiations after Israel withdraws from sinai but he was assassinated before he could carry out his plans