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RedWojak t1_j6p6q5y wrote

Reply to comment by Krivvan in Ukraine’s Zelensky rejects neutrality in sport at time of war by metrometro45

>There is an insane lack of political engagement in Russia.

And you know this how exactly? I have a personal phone number of my local representative, and attened some meetings personally. I have seen other people on those meetings.

>It's not seen in a democracy as wrong to protest or disobey a law that you see as immoral, regardless of whether you lost an election or not.

It's not seen as wrong to protest. There is even a pretty well written procedure on how to organize peaceful protest. You are safe from detainment or arrest if you simply follow it. And the best thing there is no legal framework that forbids peaceful protest, just puts a certain limitations on it (like you can't block god damn roads without prior negotiation, you need to prepare a formal notice etc.). I have seen many protests that went fine without anyone being detained.

>Even within the context of elections, the result of losing an election and a law you disagree with being passed isn't to just give up and accept obeying the law, but to fight to change it.

I believe you should only fight within the fundamental legal framework which starts from constitution. But that's me.

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Krivvan t1_j6p88h3 wrote

When I say strong political engagement I mean a large percentage of a population having strong political opinions and perfectly willing to denounce the head of state. Of many completely willing to protest outside of legal boundaries if given enough of a reason to. Of people openly calling for a revolution to topple the government being allowed to voice their opinions. You're not seriously actually going to try and claim that Russia is a democracy are you? Surely you recognize that the legal framework of Russia is entirely ignored by your own government? Do you actually believe your constitution is given any reverence at all?

Do the things on Russia-1 not strike you as absolutely absurd? The propaganda designed not to mobilize a population politically but instead convince it to stay out of politics and throw their hands up because they can't figure out the truth? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

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RedWojak t1_j6pcmjz wrote

>You're not seriously actually going to try and claim that Russia is a democracy are you?

If you want to discuss if Russia is democracy or not we need to first come to an agreement what is democracy in it's core. My answer will depend on that. I have a feeling we are understanding this term differently.

>Surely you recognize that the legal framework of Russia is entirely ignored by your own government?

Not in the field I have been working in for 6 years (comminications).

>Do you actually believe your constitution is given any reverence at all?

It is for me as a citezen. Can't say for everyone, but I believe there was some court cases in constitutional court that has been won and lost. I'm not familiar with the matter enough to debate outside of my persona.

>Do the things on Russia-1 not strike you as absolutely absurd?

Took me some time to realize you speak about TV. Since I have a freedom not to watch it or watch anything at all. I use this right all the time and refrain from watching it or any other huge network station even though I have access to any TV in the entire wide world using my internet connection. In other words I have a right to pick the sources of information. From what I see I can say most of big networks are incredibly biased and absurd no matter if it's Russia-1, Russia-24, CNN, BBC, FOX etc.

>The propaganda designed not to mobilize a population politically but instead convince it to stay out of politics and throw their hands up because they can't figure out the truth?

I did not notice such propaganda. But to be fair I did not notice propaganda that engaged political activity as well (except when there is a vote - during the vote they are practically dragging me to voting station - they even make calls asking me if I have casted my vote yet, making a voters lottery and shit)

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Krivvan t1_j6pe70u wrote

Are you responsible in some way for the war in Ukraine? If yes, then you're part of a democracy. If no, then you are not.

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RedWojak t1_j6pjd3f wrote

>Are you responsible in some way for the war in Ukraine? If yes, then you're part of a democracy. If no, then you are not.

Does me knowingly and willingly paying taxes part of wich surely pays for the war count as a being responsible?

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