Submitted by Brave_Conflict465 t3_10olx0v in worldnews
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Ceratisa t1_j6ft9io wrote
Moves like this make Chinese aggression and military build up much slower
SuperRedShrimplet t1_j6fvg4p wrote
It doesn't, at least not directly. These type of advanced chips are used for very small devices like smartphones. It puts economic pressure on Chinese telecom and civilian tech companies and limits their ability to progress their technology in these spheres, but these are not the chips used in things like cruise missiles, fighter jets etc.
This article explains it more if you're interested:
>The export controls won’t cripple the Chinese military. According to a recent RAND Corporation report, China’s military systems rely on older, less sophisticated chips made in China on which US export controls will have no effect. If China needs more advanced chips for AI-driven weapons systems, it can likely produce them, albeit at a very high cost. Many semiconductor industry experts agree that China has the technical capability to produce cutting-edge chips yet lacks the commercial capability to scale up production. This means that the US ban will have less effect on weapons systems, instead delaying the rollout of civilian applications such as autonomous vehicles.
yallmad4 t1_j6gb8p4 wrote
It's not a question of yes/no can they produce these chips, it's can they produce them in such quantities that they can make super advanced missiles at scale. The better chips you have the more advanced your munitions are. This still impacts them, and makes their ability to militarize in the short term hampered.
The short term is important because Taiwan is increasingly drifting away from the Chinese sphere of influence, and is turning their entire country into a fortress after Ukraine got Ukraine'd. The longer it takes for them to militarize to the point of being able to pull off an extremely difficult amphibious invasion, the exponentially harder that invasion will be.
Strategically, this decision is sound.
SuperRedShrimplet t1_j6gxkqv wrote
>The better chips you have the more advanced your munitions are.
In the future perhaps. But most modern missiles that are being produced to scale largely do not use the type of advanced chips that China is being sanctioned from buying. Not unless China is firing AI missiles or missiles the size of your mobile phone. Cruise missiles aren't packing 7nm semiconductor chips. Many people seem to assume that military tech is universally more advanced than civilian when for electronics the reverse is often true.
The sanctions are devastating to China's civilian tech industry, which is nothing to balk at since they're the world's largest manufacturer of civilian electronic goods.
The sanctions are hurting China a lot, but not in terms of their military directly (obviously anything impacting your general economy is also indirectly bad for your military). You're conflating two different things here.
So yes, the decision is sound, but not for the reasons you and most redditors seem to be assuming.
iiSystematic t1_j6h0j0b wrote
So why are we doing it exactly? Just to fuck them over for fun or?
StandAloneComplexed t1_j6h4idc wrote
Economic advantage and to slow them down as long as possible/as much as possible so the US can stay on top.
30 years ago the bogeyman was Japan, with the very same rhetoric. Look up the Plaza Accord to see how Japan was kept in line.
SuperRedShrimplet t1_j6h0tuy wrote
>The sanctions are devastating to China's civilian tech industry, which is nothing to balk at since they're the world's largest manufacturer of civilian electronic goods.
Did you not read this part?
What's preventing China from invading Taiwan is not their lack of military capability, it's the fact that they're a massive import/export economy who would be absolutely crippled if even half the state and private entity sanctions levied on Russia are levied on them.
For all of Russia's issues, they're at least a net producer of food and energy. China is not. They import both to produce stuff for the world. They cannot afford half the sanctions that Russia currently has.
As for why? Geopolitical advantage. China's tech industry was projected to rival that of many western countries; this is not advantageous to the US.
iiSystematic t1_j6h1c4h wrote
>The sanctions are devastating to China's civilian tech industry, which is nothing to balk at since they're the world's largest manufacturer of civilian electronic goods
This Statement alone doesnt answer my question. It just says China is the largest manufacturer of civilian Electronic goods. Big fucking deal. What do I do with that information. What context do I put it in.
Okay so this is to prevent them from invading Taiwan? Because thats nowhere in the article hence my asking
SuperRedShrimplet t1_j6h1ugw wrote
I edited my response to elaborate a bit more but I guess you responded before I finished that edit.
But basically it actually has very little to do with Taiwan. It's simply not in the US interest for China to be on a projection to rival them in space and supercomputing power. Nothing more nothing less. And as many of the world's semiconductor supply chains are not through China, the US has very little to lose itself by imposing these sanctions.
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throwaway490215 t1_j6hhwba wrote
>super advanced missiles at scale
You don't put small nm chips in those. They are too unreliable.
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autotldr t1_j6fgtcm wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 79%. (I'm a bot)
> U.S., Dutch and Japanese officials are close to an agreement to limit China's access to technology used to make computer chips, a Dutch semiconductor supply company confirmed Sunday.
> The Dutch government has prohibited ASML from exporting that equipment to China since 2019, but the company had still been shipping lower-quality lithography systems to China.
> U.S. officials say China is spending heavily to develop its fledgling semiconductor producers but so far cannot make the high-end chips used in the most advanced smartphones and other devices.
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50-Minute-Wait t1_j6h5xkn wrote
Well that kind of ends it.
They couldn’t just copy paste the industry so now they’re stuck years behind in development alone.
Tiger-Billy t1_j6h0ojb wrote
The US federal government doesn't have various political options to block China's military-rising. If China obtains the newest semiconductor manufacturing technical assets, its military organization PLA will get more powerful weapons to conquer Taiwan and attacks the US. Thus, Americans did what they had to do. The US hasn't any other effective options right now.
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Brave_Conflict465 OP t1_j6ffidl wrote
U.S., Dutch and Japanese officials are close to an agreement to limit China’s access to technology used to make computer chips, a Dutch semiconductor supply company confirmed Sunday.
ASML, a leading maker of semiconductor production equipment based in Veldhoven, Netherlands, said it was possible an agreement had already been reached but that it didn’t know any details about the deal or how it would affect ASML’s business.
ASML is the world’s only producer of machines that use extreme ultraviolet lithography to make advanced semiconductor chips. The Dutch government has prohibited ASML from exporting that equipment to China since 2019, but the company had still been shipping lower-quality lithography systems to China.