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Gr33nBubble t1_j6h90kv wrote

Reply to comment by Logical-Dog-7387 in US to renew efforts to reduce India's oil, military 'dependency' on Russia by Falls_stuff

Say what you want about the U.S.A. We do have a lot of room for improvement (just like most places) but I think it's easy to make us a scapegoat for a lot of the worlds problems. We also afford our citizens a much better quality of life, with a lot more freedoms than Russia, and I think that's worth something.

I also think we do a much better job of being the "world's police" or whatever you want to call it, than Russia, or China would do. You may disagree with me here, but I think the international order that America has been the leader in creating, post WW2, could have ended up a lot worse. It's a fact that there's been less war, more trade, and more democracies being created, since the U S.A. has been a world leader.

Our government has also made a lot of mistakes in our international conduct, Indian relations probably being one of them. But please don't think that all Americans are evil.

We are one of the largest democracies on the planet, and India is the largest. America struggles with the vestiges of slavery, and institutional racism. And I bet India struggles with the vestiges of it's cast system, if I had to guess, although I admittedly don't know much about that, so please pardon my ignorance.

I think it's better if we try to focus on our similarities, instead the mistakes of the past. IMO India and the U.S.A. should be allies. We are a huge portion of the democratic world together, and I think it's important for us to recognize this, and work together to spread democratic values.

Nobody wants Putin running the world. I mean C'mon. Look at the quality of life for your average Russian citizen. No freedom of speech. No Bill of Rights. The most unbalanced distribution of economic wealth that the world has ever seen, putting the a lot of people in abject poverty. I could go on.

And I think it's obvious that Ukraine is going to come out of this war on the right side of history.

I'm just saying that I think there's a lot of opportunity for India and the U.S.A. to work together moving forward, and I hope that you can also see that most Americans are indeed good people. Just like most Indians.

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Logical-Dog-7387 t1_j6ha80n wrote

I don't think America or Americans are evil , it's just America was an unreliable partner in the past . And when it comes to abandoning long term ally in favour of US we do have the reservations. Thats it. I like most Indians condone all invasions. Wether that was done by Russia or others. We are always open to all relationship that benefits my country. But I don't really support a Black and white world. It's all grey. Russia might be the big bad wolf in the eyes of America and europe but thats not the right picture from our side. We condemn Ukraine war the same way we condemn Iraq war but we done condemn Russia or US. I also think it's a great opportunity for both country if we can make it work. We just wants to be like swiss neutral to all.

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Gr33nBubble t1_j6hc9lj wrote

Right on man. Yeah I understand having reservations about abandoning a traditional ally, in favor of a country who hasn't been reliable in the past.

I condemn the Iraq war also, for what it's worth.

[Edit] Here's to forging a better alliance between our two countries. I hope my government does a better job of supporting Indian interests and siding with the biggest democracy in the world...better than it has in the past.

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Logical-Dog-7387 t1_j6hrx4c wrote

Yeah me too. Hopes my government doesn't fucks up too (which probably they will)

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Gr33nBubble t1_j6jjy31 wrote

Lol.

Yeah, it's hard to put our faith in our governments...

Btw, it's always really bothered me when I learn about the U.S. trying to topple democratically elected governments, or becoming allies with military or religious dictatorships, simply because of cold water politics, or regional interests, or whatever. It's extremely hypocritical and makes us look really bad.

I think our main objective ought to be fostering democracies around the world, if we are going to be the 'world leaders' with all the weapons. Otherwise, what's the point of leading the world if you're not making it a better place with more freedoms for everybody.

That's the main reason I support giving weapons to Ukraine. They are making a really good effort to become a democracy, just like India, and the United States.

Cheers mate!

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