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supercyberlurker t1_j5kjetn wrote

I can't tell the difference between Russia, Russia's 'useful idiots', nazis, and neo-nazis.

Maybe there isn't a difference, anymore.

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babydick18 t1_j5kk5ze wrote

‘Useful idiots’ you mean Merkel and friends? I still don’t know if she was that dumb or that corrupt

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Electromotivation t1_j5knxtj wrote

There was a window of time where it felt Russia could be economically brought into the modern world. But that window was a mirage based on rampant optimism and ignorance given what we (the public) has now gotten to know about Russia. But you expect the experts and those that engage in high-level geopolitics to have far better knowledge and judgement of the situations.

Safe to say your question is open-ended given examples like Putin actually believing his intelligence advisors about Ukraine, when obviously he has set up a situation where they would and could only tell him exactly what he wanted to hear.

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circularhorse t1_j5lfxvj wrote

It made perfect sense before 2014. But they kept pumping russian gas for almost a decade after annexation of Crimea that Germany oh so condemned. Even after 2022 invasion, any step away from being buddies buddies with russia came with a massive hesitation and resistance

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HDSpiele t1_j5t380y wrote

Germany thought they where engaging in a mutaly beneficial partnership where economics are seperate from poletics. This model can work but only if both partners are willing to play this game. Basicly no matter how dire the political situation gets the gas will flow as it benefits Russia and Germany equally but Russia the bastards that they are broke that unspoken agreement.

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TZH85 t1_j5kz1pv wrote

Sure, babydick18. You figured out geopolitics. Wish we had a smart leader like babydick18 to sort things out.

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JuniorSeniorTrainee t1_j5odtue wrote

I have a feeling they knew what their name meant when they deliberately chose it, so you're probably not shaming them the way you mean to.

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babydick18 t1_j5l9q1a wrote

Schroeder literally got paid by Putin and he never even tried to hide it. How dumb you gotta be, like really.

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Benzol1987 t1_j5n85wd wrote

You're getting downvotes but the part about Schröder is correct. This guy was (and still is) closely connected to Russia.

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HuckleSmothered t1_j5lrjx2 wrote

Corrupt, always assume corrupt.

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ReditSarge t1_j5me0wl wrote

Follow the money.

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HuckleSmothered t1_j5mea14 wrote

It points this way 🇷🇺

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ReditSarge t1_j5mhwlj wrote

I am shocked, shocked to find out that Russian influence is going on in here.

But seriously, Russian influence has been creeping into American power structures since before the fall of the USSR.

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HuckleSmothered t1_j5mm95e wrote

I mean half the point of the cold war was to keep up the cold war. Both sides were making BANK keeping that scam going.

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ReditSarge t1_j5pzhoa wrote

Some people on both sides were getting rich, no doubt. Ultimately both nations were eventually going to go bankrupt spending money they didn't have while accumulating debt. The only difference was that the US could afford to absorb the debt while the USSR could not.

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