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Zestyclose-Ad7420 t1_j6iivrt wrote
We need to establish an international coalition and hand over Ukraine jets jointly. We need to hurry up.
arobkinca t1_j6j8t11 wrote
> “The fact we’ve only just made a decision [on sending tanks] and already the next debate [fighter jets] is firing up in Germany – that just seems frivolous and undermines people’s trust in government decisions,”
Those darn Ukrainians, needing more help than we have given. Don't they understand that I can't chew gum and walk.
autotldr t1_j6id3oe wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)
> Chancellor Olaf Scholz has again pushed back against demands in Germany and from Ukrainian officials for fighter jets to repel Russia's invasion, urging Western nations not to join a "Bidding war" for sophisticated weapons.
> The German leader also said he will continue to phone Russian President Vladimir Putin, stressing the importance of maintaining an open channel of communication in order to find an end to Russia's war on Ukraine.
> "A German chancellor who takes his oath of office seriously must do everything to ensure that Russia's war against Ukraine does not turn into a war between Russia and NATO," he stressed, adding he will not "Allow such an escalation".
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Endolph t1_j6ibpvg wrote
NONO noel its fine man , you dont want the German planes anyway , f16 is the best and only good choice for Ukraine , those German planes are inferior and it would be a logistical nightmare to train men to repair them .
Scholz loves to be the center of attention
IndeterminateYogurt t1_j6iipez wrote
>Scholz loves to be the center of attention
...by answering a question in an interview with a german newspaper if he wants to send jets?
Reselects420 t1_j6ic34h wrote
Which are the German planes?
TheOneAndOnlyPriate t1_j6ig8tb wrote
Tornado and Eurofighter. However ukraine wasn't asking for those but regardless. Now that tanks are on the way everybody immediately starting bitching about germany for not sending jets as if it was the sole important thing to give germany shit no matter what they do.
It was the same with tanks. They said the whole time they will do it if other nato nations join by sending MBTs. Everyone bitched about germany not sending any, noone talked about the US while neither sent MBTs. And to nobodys surprise they did just that immediately after the US also pitched in. It like "germany i dare you to not do the thing i am also not doing while the whole time you said you do it if i will"
The-Entity t1_j6iv602 wrote
The Abrams is just going to cause them grief. The US knows this which is why they didn't want to send them. The maintenance is just way too high.
TheOneAndOnlyPriate t1_j6iwuwl wrote
Maintanance is high with leopards too, it is an excuse that only the US has maintanance intensive MBTs. The only difference really is the increased logistical effort for high fuel consumption of more specialized fuel.
Training, maintanance, ammo logistics are all comparable otherwise. And if engines (where the only increased maintanance complexity for abrams would be justified) are that heavily damaged it needs to be shipped to poland for repairs anyway. But thats no different for leos. Ukrainians will be trained for operating them in the short, not for having crews being able to maintain every possible failure or damage under battlefield conditions.
And it is not like the US wasn't able to provide tanks and fuel over this distance. They did it in the middle east too and now would need to provide the same but with way less tanks and even without their own personnel except some maintanance staff and supply staff in poland.
Current-Direction-97 t1_j6if3ve wrote
We get it Germany. You’re a Ruzzian puppet.
IndeterminateYogurt t1_j6iirxv wrote
Yup, thats why we're leading the EU in aid. Its all a ruse...
NoPriorThreat t1_j6ma2hz wrote
do they really lead per GDP?
IndeterminateYogurt t1_j6mfolh wrote
No, of course not. Unsurprisingly the country that is both contractually and culturally limited in its military size and, different to eastern europe, has no big stockpiles of soviet weaponry (because we gave it to them decades ago), is not leading by GDP.
Still more than the US, UK, France, Italy and Spain tho.
B93k34 t1_j6ikpl5 wrote
We get it you are butt hurt and hate Germany
drowningfish t1_j6ip4x6 wrote
Germany is not a Russian puppet. Germany knows its role in Western Europe and has been carrying it out in a very deliberate fashion since the beginning of this conflict.
Demanding Germany knee jerk into obliging every single new weapons request originating out of Ukraine would be reckless.
There are risks to every new xfer and those risks have to be weighed.
Enestra t1_j6ice8i wrote
He simply couldn't wait to tell the world that if they had F-16s, they wouldn't have given them to Ukraine.