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Akiasakias t1_j40c149 wrote

Reply to comment by derkonigistnackt in Germany exported more electricity to its neighbours than it imported in 2022, even with an energy crisis at home, thanks to more weather-driven renewable power and greater demand from France by green_flash

I am also a green. Just one who can do math 😔

Don't mind being unpopular. Everything I said is backed up by data. Need to say it moreso because of the reactions.

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hcschild t1_j40lofk wrote

You can do math? Are you sure you didn't mean meth?

But feel free to show us your math for forms of energy that can be produced in Germany that are not polluting and cheaper than solar or wind. ;)

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Akiasakias t1_j415ljl wrote

Well nuclear is honestly the smartest choice for Germany specifically. Would take them a decade or more though.

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hcschild t1_j43q5zx wrote

So you want the source of energy that is one of the most expensive ones to be our main source of energy? Doesn't sound very smart.

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Fishydeals t1_j40pp8z wrote

So how do we get all that energy from spain back to germany without losing like 30-50% to transporting it back?

Solar might not be the best option for germany, but it would help if conservative parties like the csu would drop their ridiculous rules like 'the distance from a wind turbine to the nearest settlement needs to be its height times 10'. It's the same people who get drunk on the oktoberfest with people from all over the world, puke everywhere in the city and trains and then oppose cannabis legalization with big publicity because they do not want drug tourism. Thank god these idiots are slowly dying.

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Akiasakias t1_j415a57 wrote

Transmission is not terrible. You lose a few % but it's way more efficient than the change in sun angle going north.

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Fishydeals t1_j419vnb wrote

Then why go to spain and not north africa? It's way cheaper, better angle and more sun hours.

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Akiasakias t1_j42co25 wrote

It is, and that is an option being considered. Sicily is also pretty good.

Transmission across the Mediterranean sounds difficult.

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ekobar t1_j41ifpw wrote

That is wrong. Transmission lost would be terrible over this distance, the lost of power rises exponatial over distance. More then "a few percent". You also don't calculate in your "investment" the cost of building these land lines. What land lines do you want to build for that? Over- or Underground? If you go underground then the lost is even worse and good luck building 2000km of multiple overground landlines trough Europe without massive delays through politics and policies.

Also still waiting on the math you did, which the greens can't do and you did!

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Akiasakias t1_j42ehfv wrote

Will have to circle back Saturday with the data. I'm currently 2000 miles from home. Small town with limited internet and no access to my files.

Best I can do from my snow bunker are resources like this. https://globalsolaratlas.info/map?c=11.523088,8.261719,2

Red or orange, solar is great economic and environmental.

Yellow it is probably break even. Worth doing for environment reasons. But may not be a great investment.

Green or worse you are probably never going to make back the carbon debt of blast furnacing the silicon into panels.

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ekobar t1_j46fgzh wrote

Yeah still nothing about how to get the energy from Spain to Germany and the econmical effect of that.

What does it help the German energy grid if you produce the power in Spain? How does that help the supply?

Since you always talk about investement may think about the the macroeconmical factors for Germany to build and invest in their own infrastructur. You see this very one dimensional, more sun = more money. Nothing is that simple.

> Red or orange, solar is great economic and environmental. > > Yellow it is probably break even. Worth doing for environment reasons. But may not be a great investment.

No that is your interpretation and it is wrong. The colors show the output, which is in southern Spain 40% higher then in Germany. Sorry but your source does not even help your point.

The one thing i still can't see is your math ;)

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