YES!

YES!

It is so why downplay that notification to drivers? Why remove flashing yellow school zone signs and replace them with non flashing black and white signs?

Just add the flashing yellow signs that say school zone and have the speed limit posted on them.

I thought that was clear in my post.

In some cases these were simply removed from school zones in EP. Not sure why except that it makes it less urgent with a flat black and white sign.

Are you of the opinion that its not possible to have those along with the flat black and white signs?

Yes but you are well within the school zone by the time you see the school crosswalk sign.

A school crosswalk is no different from any crosswalk though. When someone is trying to cross the street at a normal crosswalk it is the law to stop and in some municipalities that applies without a crosswalk. Maybe the fine for not stopping is higher than it is at a normal crosswalk though.

Years ago, East Main anyway, maybe it was 50 but it was 50 or 55. West Main not positive but West Main is 45 for much of it now.

They did recently patch East Main, it was unbelievably bad.

I'm not advocating taking the cameras away at all. I'm saying the flat black signs sans any flashing lights are not as safe as the yellow flashing signs that were actually taken away in some places.

Not every driver is from the area and be honest those black and white signs are not for safety they are there so people will not notice that it is a school zone and get a ticket.

In the western part of the State school zone signs of any type are lacking. Those places should also have a flashing sign indicating school is in session and to slow down.

You bring up a good point. Maybe the yellow signs even sans saying anything about school zone symbolize school zones. I will have to look at a drivers manual to see if that is the case.

Downloaded the manual and those signs are not in the manual just school crossing signs.

I have figured out the revenue enforcement part of it but I think turn about is fair play so advocating for more safety which would decrease revenue because people would be less likely to be caught off guard (it is about safety) with the same flashing yellow signs showing the school speed limit in the center would put these cities in no win situation.

How can they argue against more effective school safety?

I mean from their point of view if a child is hit but the drivers pays the $50 fine for speeding they have done all they can prior to the incident. Obviously post such an incident the driver has consequences but this is about prevention.

EP at least is 7am to 4pm in tiny writing on the smallest sign.

I think it's Providence who wants to install these everywhere. Maybe they can take some of this revenue to fill in potholes before people are lost in them never to be seen again.

I'm not sure you are using the term neon correctly. In EP the signs are a flat black and white. Not lit up which neon implies nor are they even shiny. There are some static yellow signs (not at all locations) also not neon. They do not light up. Neon is a gas inside a tube that when electricity is connected to it - it lights up.

The day I got that ticket I hadn't been through there in some time. There is a black and white sign that says 'Speed Limit Traffic Laws Photo Enforced' Which is a mouthful to read the first time going through there. A little further down the road there is a static yellow sign (that is NOT neon) that repeats the warning. Underneath are much smaller signs, one says 'violators prosecuted' underneath that is one that says 7am to 4pm' NOTHING about school zone yet going the other way - north there is a sign that says 'school zone ends' so all this time you are already driving in a school zone. The only posted speed sign is 30mph.

So in fact here the ONLY things alluding to school zone are the school crossing sign directly across from St Margarets and the two 'end school zone' signs.

Maybe it's a time of day thing. I know they sit at what is it, Cindy's? Now that school is a place that would benefit from adding school zone cameras. Just keep the existing flashing yellow signs.

East and West Main are really difficult to Police because they are so narrow and older people can remember when the speed limit was 55 on both. If you are traveling 35 on East Main you will come close to being pushed off the road. Out of State cars weave in and out of traffic like its a speedway on East and West Main especially when they are leaving.

There was talk there of 2 travel lanes and a third for turns which would decrease accidents just like there was talk of rotaries in Bristol, Warren and Barrington. It's common for two lanes to move to one setting up a drag race also in Bristol County.

Life is all about nuance.

Advocating for more safety means someone can't drive?

That's an interesting take on this. Have you had your coffee yet today?

That's good to know.

This was coming south around the corner on Newport Ave approaching St Margaret's I was just in traffic with everyone else going the same speed as everyone else at the start of rush hour.

I never said it was an excuse but a flashing school zone sign eliminates that as opposed to the static black and white signs the camera company put up.

If you don't understand that their signs are designed NOT to be seen I have a bridge to sell you.

I know in front of Bay View there were yellow flashing school zone lights, those were removed and now there are large black and white signs saying school zone. If you didn't know the area you could easily miss that which is the idea and just continue at the speed limit.

It is mainly the NY, NJ, MA, CT plates that completely ignore that because they don't care. Portsmouth PD are rarely there ime.

I have seen out of State cars zig zag through cars going 20 through there.

School areas have always been designated school traffic zones at least in my lifetime which goes back 6 decades.

I can name several places where the flashing yellow signs were removed in EP when the camera setups were installed.. The only signs i see are large black and white signs - not neon. My experience is mainly with EP with regard to these set ups.

Those signs don't exist in most places that have these zone cameras, in fact if you actually read what I wrote you'd know in many cases in EP the flashing yellow signs for school zones were removed.