BigbunnyATK

BigbunnyATK t1_jdn6isr wrote

First, you not wanting to send money and weapons to Ukraine to fight against Russia and saying Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe, already shows that you're some Russian incel lol. That's only a Russian talking point. Ukraine is fighting for their country, Russia is fighting to take it and losing horribly because Russia is led by pathetic, weak leaders. I would happily send more and more weapons to Ukraine until Russia is at its knees without Moldova nor Crimea.

Also, you've given a completely non-expansive view of what the Afghanistan war was about. You fail to include the view that, if we left all things alone, Russia would control most of the world's oil. To you that's just an acceptable outcome and we shouldn't stop it. Russia was already doing proxy wars in these countries, so the USA stepped in to stop Russia. "War is bad" isn't an answer. War is bad but happens for a reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

Funniest among your claims, the US did invade Iraq with UN permission. So it was a legal war. It was later decided there hadn't been enough evidence, but later is too late. The justification for the war: we went on the assumption that they had WMD which Saddam loved to brag about. We went because he was casually using chemical weapons on villagers, genociding the Kurds. And we went because he was breaking peace treaties casually. The reason for going to the war is more likely to make allies in the middle east, to supplant the current governments with Democracies, but the justification were as previously said. Russia, on the other hand, did start an illegal war.

Also, if China attacks Taiwan we'd 100% support them and probably send ground troops. They manufacture a huge chunk of our microchips and the other huge chunk is made in ... China. So you know, 'war is bad' doesn't really suffice again. Also which country are you from? I hope you're not an American with this simple view? I am 90% sure you're Russian with that Ukraine BS.

The funniest thing, though. I don't claim to support the long war in the middle east. I do intend to understand it instead of whine like you. Apparently the illustrious US leaders thought we'd be supported with open arms by the Iraqis after quelling Saddam Hussein, but this was BS. We wanted to make a massive ally out of the middle east, and so sent troops to stabilize the region and create Democracies. It was a foolish war, and a foolish war leads to death like any other war. The American people were tricked into thinking it was a necessary war, but I doubt it really was, and in retrospect many would agree with me. Nonetheless, the reasons to go to the middle east were convincing at the time, and people wanted to create a world where Saddam didn't get his genocidal hands on nukes.

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BigbunnyATK t1_jdkj96n wrote

I don't understand what you've brought to the table. I link the USA's reasons for going to a war, or at least some small snippet of it, and you post "wrong and fake." As I understand it, our war in Afghanistan was to make an ally. Afghanistan had already had horrible leadership issues because Russia helped install units that would be pro Russia. We came in later to both clear the Russian influence and to help Afghanistan. We spent billions to help them build schools and infrastructure and to give them a voted democracy. It failed. But how can you sit from your computer seat and say what soldier's gave their lives for was wrong? War is complicated but don't pretend the USA as a monolith is some pure evil organization. We've had our hands in stopping several genocides. You know, Saddam Hussein against the Kurds. Japan against South East Asia (especially China). It's not like we're a country full of fantasy heroes who do no wrong, but if you think the mindset of America is pure evil you haven't seen anything of this world. We are sending billions to Ukraine, too. Would you rather they get toppled and raped and murdered by Russia? And if China attacks Taiwan, we'll be there, too. You take a simple view of a complex topic, and worse you take a simple view of a complex topic which has taken lives. Come back with a formed opinion based on historical fact and knowledge, and we can speak.

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BigbunnyATK t1_jdkijxi wrote

No, it's not hypothetical. As I said, Russia was already in these countries trying to garner complete control. Nothing hypothetical about it. Read up and have true opinions. There is no point in having half baked opinions on very serious history. You can't claim to be informed when even the small information I linked even discredits what you said. Also it's well known that one of, if not the main reason, that we went to the middle east was to fight a proxy war with Russia. Not an imaginary war. A proxy war. Look at Russia's involvement in Afghanistan, too.

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BigbunnyATK t1_jdis10z wrote

Point is, the situation is more complicated than you make it out to be. There are rarely good and bad guys in war. Much of our involvement in the Middle East isn't necessarily bad, but some of it is. I haven't found more on Syria just yet, but here's a somewhat detailed post on being in the Middle East in general:https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnAmerican/comments/qtvqaf/why_did_the_us_originally_go_to_the_middle_east/

"America bad" isn't an opinion. You have to say "America bad because..." and follow the ellipses with something that I can read and say, "Woah, America bad." See, America bad is a conclusion not a reason. If you really want to talk geopolitics you have to use the overall picture to convince people.

Edit: Some source on recent Syria related news. Seems the USA is in some of these countries to keep Russia from gaining massive control over the oil supply of the world. Russia messed with many of the same countries that the USA messes with. Whether you think the USA should intervene or not is up to you. From a geopolitics standpoint I say it should. If it didn't, Russia would go uncontested and control massive swaths of the oil supply. I wouldn't say it's moral to be in other countries killing people for resource control, but I'd also say that allowing a country with a tyrannical leader like Putin to go uncontested isn't moral either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/gdwbj3/what_is_us_involvement_like_in_syria_as_of_2020/

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