>its legitimacy is recursive (its legit because enough people say it is)

It is recursive down to a group level and not an individual level though, which makes it stronger than other things that are recursive. "The State" can be recursive down to an individual level, anarchy exists for example. Even within pure anarchy though, there is still some sort of implied social contract.

The government that they have right now is in there exactly because the US military did the practical thing the last time the people in their country revolted against their government. I think the practical thing at this point is to not discuss the usfg with regards to their situation at all.

Ape together strong. Ape together, stronger than usfg.

>I think I actually over estimated your analytical skills.

What would you classify as narcissistic tendencies?

>How can I trust your assurances?

I have no reason to lie to some dipshit on the internet who I am only interested in communicating with at a base level for my own scientific purposes.

>You have demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge about anything scientific and what's worse a highly illogical mind.

But I make more than you do. So, what's that tell you about society, or really the worth of your overall opinion on the subject?

>Uh huh. Sure you did.

See the two statements above.

>you are not a nice person now.

See the three statements above.

>What makes you think I am defensive?

It's the only one you gave more than a one word answer to, and you answered with an insult.

What would you classify as narcissistic traits?

>and you think this being actually cares about you, what you eat, who you have sex with and why, where you touch yourself on your own body etc that's pretty narcissistic.

I don't think that at all.

>You certainly seem to be.

But not you? I can assure you I do not meet the clinical definition or anything close to it. I have a plethora of Psychologists who have said so. I got sued and paid for a couple of lawyers' and multiple psychologists vacations and kids' college funds. I do not question at all where I clinically lie on any of those scales. I wasn't always such a nice person.

Your freedom of speech ends at the point where it infringes on someone else though. Passing judgement on someone else can also be called libel, or slander.

Where does it explicitly say that?

>I think you know less about psychology than you know about physics.

Why is this the question that makes you defensive? Do you not think you have exhibited a very clear pattern of narcissistic traits in this conversation?

>Nonsense.

No.

>What is that?

That people are narcissistic.

Who endowed you with this right?

>More than zero. You have given me no respect at all.

One trait of a narcissist is that they always approach the world in very black or white thinking. Only absolutes. What do you think about that?

>I judge people like I am a human being who judges people based on the things they say and do.

Would that be the role of god if they did exist?

>I don't have a universe.

Are you the god of yourself?

>Then why do you believe such silly things?

I think that your position is a further leap from where humanity stands with its current knowledge of the universe than mine is. I have my own hypothesis as to why it is the preferred stance.

>I see no evidence of this.

I'm not interested in your opinion on this particular subject honestly. I am on the more general subject.

>You haven't treated me with any respect at all.

How much respect do you think you inherently deserve? I have certainly treated you with magnitudes more respect than you have me. Have I thrown an insult or two in? Yes.

>There is no god.

But you exist. You judge people like you are god. Why are you not the god of your own universe?

>Can you prove gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe?

No.

These are very sweeping judgements. You yourself exhibit the exact opposite of everything you just described me as, no? Do you ever actually reflect on that? Why do you think it is your job and or right to pass such sweeping judgements on people?

Part of what I just said was a lie. I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist. Never in a meaningful way. I don't want that to be true inside for reasons that are my own. So, I experiment with that.

Personally, I am an empath. Doesn't mean I can't have narcissistic tendencies. Everyone does to some degree. I am not always a good person either as you have pointed out, but I try to be.

>you are not a very nice person now.

But I try to be. I've treated you with a lot of respect, a lot more than is deserved, that is why I continue to respond.

>Do you object to being judged by your words and actions? How else should I judge you?

What gives you the inherent right to judge anyone? God.

>Pick up any science book. Have you provided some evidence that they exist outside of this universe?

My only argument here is that I personally find it odd that science always comes tantalizingly close to these answers. Like 98%. But never 100%.

Do you always pass such sweeping judgements so quickly, my lord? You know absolutely nothing about me beyond this very brief exchange in which I have been purposefully dismissive and avoidant of several of your questions. You started out the conversation with an immediately insulting tone, and yet I have still treated you with far more respect than you deserve. I am Buddha for being able to deal with people like you. You must have a TON of friends lmfao.

>A path that believes dark matter and gravity don't exist in this universe.

You have yet to provide a singular source that proves that they do. You cannot prove exactly what they are or how they function, what they are even comprised of. Therefore you cannot make such a statement. The fact that you continue to distort this position so severely yet throw out the insults you do proves the narcissism. I have a lot of experience dealing with narcissists. What I love most is that they can never not respond.

>Why?

I was not a very nice person.

>I am pretty sure there are science books that tell you how gravity works.

I give you enough credit that I think you get the actual point.

>And yours does?

For me.

>I don't see too many muslims on the top of anything.

Once you blow through all the pleasures of being "successful" and finally bottom out from it all, you start spending a lot of time focusing on personal development. What else is there that is actually meaningful to do? I found the path that works for me after all of that. You should honestly be very thankful I did.

I've read enough science books to know that you cannot scientifically tell me how gravity actually fundamentally works at all. I don't deny its existence. No shit it exists. Your personal god (science/yourself) can't explain it though. What use is this science you hold above everything else when it can't even answer what should be a very trivial question? It could though! So much belief. That is a bigger leap of faith than the alternative when you actually think about it. Why do you want to be right so much in this area? Why does it matter to you inside so much? "Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" I can clearly see which way you have chosen in response to that question lol.

>A person specifically trained in rhetoric won't be as dishonest and sleazy as you.

Statements like these are how I know you are 12. Welcome to the real world, kiddo. People like me are at the top of it.

I see now. What is your definition of in this universe? Mine is, in our same universe and dimension. What is the gravity particle? How does gravity actually work according to science?

>Why are you so dishonest?

Because I am specifically trained in rhetoric. That's my secret in every situation I find myself in. I'm better at it than you. I also have quite a few years of life experience on you, young narcissist.

Can you go get some for me to prove it does?

Can you even prove gravity exists in this universe?

What happened one second before the Big Bang?

Science has all the answers though you say. I say that's quite a belief you have. I also say that no matter what road you go, you're believing in something.

No, I do not think Mohammed split the moon in two (PBUH).

If I am deluded about the age then you are definitely a narcissist. That's fine too. I still lean towards a little Column A, little Column B rather than just one of those though.

It doesn't exist "in this universe" though, or maybe it does. It interacts with matter in this universe. That does not necessitate that it exists in this universe.

I think that Islam is the truthful account.

I really don't think I'm deluded about the age at all. Narrow-mindedness to such a degree is only a youthful quality, literally because the brain has not fully developed yet.

Evidence for the specific claims you made about dark matter. I never said I believe that God sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. Your views seem very narrow. I can tell you're under 25. Be well!

Can you cite a scientific source for these claims?

Science is a process of discovery. Why is it such a foreign thought to believe that someone could deduce their way towards religion? I started out as a nihilist. The more I studied quantum physics, the more I found scientists that go deep down that path turn to religion. I know this is shattering to your thesis but I didn't make your thesis.

>Can you name something that exists outside of the physical material world and also tell me how you know it exists.

I know that there are other dimensions beyond our own and that matter exists in them. I know this because dark matter and other elements "exist". How many there are in total? I couldn't say. 10 seems to be an agreeable number at the moment.

Can you tell me a profound conclusion on this level that science can actually answer for me? I like science. I think it is useful. We have been following the threads of science for multiple generations now. Every single time science declares it has all of the answers though, another rabbit hole appears. Almost like a carrot on a stick, the true answers always just slightly out of arms' reach. Perhaps that is by design?