You just said the data didn’t show a correlation — so don’t you have the data in front of you?

You just said the data doesn’t show a correlation — soo don’t you have the data in front of you?

More cops = less crime in the long-run compared to baseline existing crime rate (caused by external social factors). The 90s were the height of the crack epidemic, the baseline crime rate was far higher — and over time, the police were able to bring the crime rate down.

I’m not sure what numbers you’re looking for here? From 2013-2022 murders nearly doubled and the number of police officers decreased by 15-20%. What part of this needs further analysis?

Huh? I’m sorry you can’t do data analysis? Numbers are all there.

DC also has a much higher base line policing requirement due to staffing protests and protecting soft targets. So the comparison of police officers to other U.S. cities is just sort of sadly ignorant of the underlying arguments here.

More cops = less murders. Sorry that makes you upset.

Use three year rolling averages. Numbers are all there.

Numbers are all there. If you’re too lazy to look them up that’s on you.

More cops = less murders. Sorry that makes you upset.

Well in this case the escalating staffing issues resulted in an increased (i.e. over doubling of the) murder rate…so maybe we should listen to them?

Also some user posted an analysis awhile back about how DC will always need more police officers per capita than other cities because they have to staff more protests, protect more soft targets, etc.

Huh staffing issues started around a decade ago.

Same place you’re getting your data from. BTW I’m referencing a ten-year period here, not from 2020 onward.

1)The increase in DC is higher; 2) There are similar trends with declining numbers of police officers in those cities too; 3) I agree a more progressive prosecutorial posture when it comes to enforcement is also to blame.

I am saying the nationwide increase in murders is less than the increase in murders in DC on a per capital basis. This further correlates with a drop in the number of police officers during that same period in DC. Hence, the drop in police officers correlates with a disproportionate surge in crime in DC. Can you follow?

Now compare 2013 to 2023.

Look at murder rates (which can’t be fake and don’t suffer from reporting issues) in DC vs. the US. You see your DC centric spike in crime there very clearly.

Now do three year rolling average trends of murder rates correlated to number of police officers. The data is very obviously there to prove my point as much as you’d like to pretend otherwise.

Okay you initially said murders started going up again in 2020, now you say 2018. So now do you acknowledge there’s a correlation with the number of officers employed?

Why would you conclude that? Why did murders more than double during that same period? And before you say Covid, they were rising before 2020.

Yeah the violent crime statistics can easily be juked (as is supported by the numbers re: actual arrests) year over year and suffer from reporting bias. Now do the same analysis with murders — you can’t fake a murder rate or hide a body. That’s your best proxy for overarching crime trends. And the correlation with the number of officers employed is crystal clear.

Murders have trended up since 2012 what are you talking about?

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We have 3,300~ officers currently — in comparison we had 4,000~ officers as recently as 2013, when murders were about half of what they are now. Draw your own conclusions.

We have 3,300~ officers currently — in comparison we had 4,000~ officers as recently as 2013, when murders were about half of what they are now. Draw your own conclusions.

City Lights of China isn’t exactly what you’re describing but was considered the best take-out Chinese in DC for awhile through the 90s

Awesome thank you!

Is there a version with subtitles (sorry I have hearing issues which makes it hard to follow the words)

Nice free country we got where the response to “armed robbers steal clothing from middle school children” is “they shouldn’t wear those articles of clothing”