Coconutman3000

Coconutman3000 t1_j9q06oa wrote

I 've recently read your reply. While you could say that, while you do have a point that their are some people among the working-class that are willing participates, that is based on the framework of. Many who are " willingly participating" unfortunately still buys into the notion that they are " temporarily poor millionaire's." and that someday they will be the property owners themselves if they simply work hard and game the system. Which still pretty much based on the framework of Capitalistic Realism with the implication that the only way to have any gain within the current system is to play the game and play by the rules of the current system and embracing the ideological framework. Not Solidarity nor Community action but pure individual property rights. Combined this with the individualistic nature of Capitalism and yes you will get defenders of property.

Usually these individuals hope to gain(weather they know it or not) negative freedom( in which the article discusses) from property ownership in which they see themselves as being someday. Such as autonomy and personal egoist freedom. That's been the framework taught from a young age for many decades, especially with the Protestant Work ethics and other social phenomenon. Capitalism (especially Late Stage Capitalism), supports an individualistic framework where one must become the user of (as the article discussed) arbitrary power( by become a business/property owner) in order to gain " freedom." and independence. At the end though it simply makes you an active participant of said system. The defenders of property are also(which represents the sad state of our education to be frank) either unaware of how Class consciousness is essential to creating the nondominance culture and society that is discussed in the article. How it will help in terms of using the understanding how to develop and maintain an economic and social democracy that takes consideration for everyone and not mainly the property owner class.

The dream of being an entrepreneur is part of that ideological framework that in turn creates these types of people who would defend property. So I suggest not dismiss the influence of many years of ideological manufacturing of the masses and making many be either accepters and/or active participants of the system.

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Coconutman3000 t1_j9mpy7a wrote

While i get where you are coming from I fundamentally disagree with your last paragraph about how a lot of people are " willing citizens" . Unfortuantly it can not be said that many people are actually " willing" in fact it can be said said many people are coerced into participating or more specifically has coercive violence( specifically financial coercive violence) where many citizens feel like if they dont participate then they are worthless to said society and could lose their livilhood( ex. A young mother having to work for full time jobs to support her family and pay rent or else she and her family will be kicked out. ).

Plus it need to be considered that in our society we have been ideologically conditioned to believe that this reality is the only reality to fully satisfy us internally and that a lack of participath is equivalent to death of self. Even though ironically one might find ones self if one distances themselves from this monetary system if its possible.

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