I guess it must be pretty remote, considering there's not a listing on Google maps for that park in Utah. Even if we assume that wasn't just a bullshit anecdote to try and prove your point, let's look at it. If you're 100 miles from a gas station before getting to the park, we can safely assume you live no less than 100 miles from this park. You are correct about there being 10s of thousands of different parks in the country. With that many, it's probably a safe assumption that there's other options closer or as close as Fischer, especially in the western part of the US where the population is more spread out. I am 100% confident you could find an adequately remote nice campsite that wouldn't need an off road vehicle to get to.

You realize your attitude is exactly why those other countries are producing as much pollutants as they are? That pollution is the direct result of consumer spending, and the attitude of it's always someone else's fault. That's exactly how those countries' citizens view the US and western Europe. People that buy whatever they want without caring about how it impacts the world, why should they then care themselves? I can't control those countries actions, but I can control my own, same as anyone else.

Because you're lazy and don't want to hike out to the campsite? I go to big cypress, park my car where the road ends at a lot for park visitors, and hike to camp. Not every weekend mind you, but its not that hard. It's literally a mile or 2 at most to get to a remote enough spot that there aren't other people around. If you want to drive out even further than that, more power to you. But suggesting it's necessary to off road to get to a remote camping site is ridiculous.

Look, I'm not trying to take your jeep from you, or even say you're a bad person for driving it. Do what makes you happy. But an individual's choice of transportation is the single most impactful decision they can make for themselves that will impact the environment. You can tell me you care about the environment all you want, but the fact you made literally the worst choice possible for your mode of transportation as an individual tells me you really don't care that much.

If you are driving your vehicle to a national forest, you could easily do that in a smart car if you wanted to. I never implied public transit was a viable option for this.

That said, I do not care at all what people do with their money. At all. I do not care if you continue your drive your Jeep out wherever you please. It's a free country. My very first comment was simply pointing out that native floridians do not care about environment as some universally held belief, as evidenced by the things I pointed out. I could absolutely afford to buy and drive a truck if I wanted to, but my personal values are antithetical to making that purchase. I am simply pointing out that your actions are directly opposed to your stated values. If anyone needs to quit lying to themself, its you. Just be honest about what you like, and accept that the drawbacks of your preference are negative for something you supposedly care about.

You act like there aren't alternatives on the market that don't follow those same manufacturers processes. No one is forcing anyone to buy the big truck. For the majority of lifted pickup trucks it is entirely based on personal vanity.

And I was very obviously not referring to people that drive those vehicles out of necessity by specifying lifted trucks. That is an aftermarket decision by the consumer, and is completely unnecessary for any practical purpose that you mentioned.

I'm sure you like nature, and would be upset if we messed it up. But your actions suggest that you care more about personal convenience than actually changing your spending to reflect your care for the environment. You could easily hike out to the middle of nowhere and camp. But you'd rather drive out, introducing tons of pollutants that wouldn't otherwise reach that more remote environment, and leave tread marks from your 2 ton vehicle while claiming to 'leave no trace.'

So you're not aware that the average size of parking spots has been increasing over time due almost entirely to the increasing size of pickup trucks? Sure, my car takes up one parking space like a truck would. But if you built a parking lot based on the size of my car it would take up substantially less space than a lot for an equivalent number of trucks.

I'm not dumb enough to pretend that a country that's spent almost a century building infrastructure around cars as the top priority over bikes and pedestrians is going to function okay if we suddenly went car free. But to act like the arms race of increasing truck size isn't causing measurable impact on construction practices and the environment is naive.

I 100% agree with you that it is far from the only reason, and honestly it's not the biggest priority if you're trying to enact changes in policy help the environment. But if you drive one of those trucks, don't come at me with some bullshit about how much you care about the environment, because your actions are 100% opposed to that.

Why do you think they're bulldozing forests? Could it have anything to do with needing more roads and larger parking lots for increasingly large vehicles? If people buying those trucks legitimately cared about the environment, they would realize that their consumer spending is the driving force of all those companies you claim to hate so much.

Yeah, it's pretty clear from your responses that I'm definitely making the right call in getting them educated literally anywhere else. As someone who actually took AP African American history, I assure you nothing like that is part of the curriculum. Convenient you ignored the part about books being taken out of libraries, but I guess that's a bit harder to wave off with casual racism.

Never said they didn't exist elsewhere, just that it's laughable to assume this "pure Florida native" bullshit where they all care about the environment. I'm totally fine with living around assholes, gonna happen anywhere you're right. But I'd prefer my kids go to schools that are comfortable teaching about Black people and actually have books in their libraries. Something tells me that doesn't require living in a Utopia. Just anywhere besides Florida.

Yeah, as a transplant to Florida for the past 3 years (thankfully moving back out in a week) this person is conveniently ignoring the fuck ton of native Floridians driving their ridiculous lifted trucks, and casually tossing their empties into the water when out on the boat.