And that’s where you need to have clear breaks in the conversation because the logic line you presented makes it sound like you wanted to shoot kids on ATVs because the police *weren’t doing enough.

Putting some blame on GoLocalProv though because the way they structured that article immediately leads people into this line of thinking. (And why they’re mainly considered a muckraking shill of a newspaper)

A bunch of the quick little snippets were of police or the mayor saying they won’t do anything about ATV gangs. Which is not true.

Police are instructed not to chase them through the city because there is a much higher risk of damage, injury and death (to the police, gang member or especially bystanders) when it comes to a full sized police cruiser vs a smaller let nimbler ATV or a Bike. Police have to work to apprehend them in other ways.

It’s not a good answer but it’s all they’ve got atm.

Which is why it sounds insane when the logic line jumps from ATV riders to firearms in self defense. Should a woman be able to shoot in self defense when under physical assault? Yea, I would concede on that. Is that an equivalency I would bring into a discussion on reckless riding? No.

The disconnect is the jump from riding recklessly to self defense.

Yes you have the right to defend yourself, even with a firearm. Why self defense and ATVs are in the same scenario is the logic problem. This the the problem with “whataboutism” arguments, when topics jump around things get conflated. If you keep them separate, things make sense.

Reckless riding on ATVs -> Cops should do more about them

Woman being assaulted -> Yea, she should be able to defend herself

The post that started with: Reckless riding on ATVs -> Then the immediate response of “This is why we need the 2nd amendment” (There’s the jump that is not helpful)

When you argue/debate, you can’t do those abrupt whataboutism turns to effectively change the subject. You need clear break points in the conversation line and context to set them up. Otherwise you get hyperbolic results like “Kids on ATVs -> Shoot them”

I recently looked up some crime stats in a conversation recently and per capita, New England is doing fine. The scary areas currently are in the Midwest.

Cities have higher property crime; mostly theft, but the Midwest is leading in violent and deadly crimes per capita.

The train of logic (illogic in this case) is truly bizarre.

We went from ATVs disrupting the peace -> A fatal accident with a dirt bike (makes sense) -> A woman being pulled out of a car -> Self defense -> Implying that we should shoot anyone that we feel threatened by

So if you circle that line back to the original sentence of your post: Idiots on ATVs -> Shoot them

Where this at? Asking for a friend…

I didn’t downvote anything they said till now. Typical “that’s your opinion, man” stuff, but that just went mask off.

Being old material isn’t always a given for deterioration. You can have stone walls or concrete decks and show zero signs of degradation over 100 years. Usually the biggest factor to degradation is exposure to the elements like temperature changes, humidity changes, etc.

If there is any asbestos in the materials your working with/around, you need a licensed professional to handle it. Having unlicensed people work around knowingly “hot material” is immediate grounds for a lawsuit, so don’t let parents try to solve it themselves.

If the ceilings are visibly deteriorating or flaking away with minimal effort, it’s probably best to hire a testing firm to reevaluate the status of the hot material and advise/recommend furthers steps.

As a reminder: the presence of asbestos in a building is not a problem. When it gets loose and airborne, that’s when you have an issue.

Asbestos in the dust? Meaning the base material is deteriorating and falling away on its own?

Referring back to my lead paint comparison, it’s not harmful on its own, but if the host material is deteriorate then you got a problem. (Materials deteriorate from a number of factors. It’s New England so my assumption is humidity and temperature swings)

Now we’re talking. Hell yea; that’s an issue if the ceilings are falling apart and needs to be addressed. At the very least it’s probably worth the money to get that stuff retested and evaluated by a consultant. Get ahead of the problem before you end up with an investigation on your hands.

I wouldn’t toss a drop ceiling at it to cover it up. If the hot material is deteriorating, it’ll just build up on the ceiling tiles and when a tile gets moved, you inhale a boatload of asbestos.

As a side note;

I’m a contractor and I like replacing/rebuilding things instead of putting bandaids on problems. However that is often a discussion that is tied to money, so I don’t envy anyone that has to make evaluations like this.

Turns out, behind the scenes, things are really complicated and often not a simple “fix it” situation.

AHERA? Off the top of my head, I don’t know the requirements but I know the information is found buried somewhere at the EPA.

From my limited knowledge, it’s documenting where the “hot material” is and having an execution plan for removal or repairs to it. As a contractor, my company is usually the one managing the final steps of whatever that plan is; my specialty is MEP Systems with a focus on Renovations.

For the decay part, I generally lean toward the “No, it’s not an immediate concern.” Asbestos is a fiber, not a gas, and is harmful when inhaled. So it’s not like an “off-gas” or “radioactive material”. If it goes airborne, typically is can hang around for 2-3 days, which is why you have specialized companies to dispose of it safely.

A similar situation is lead paint. Off hand touching lead paint is not a problem. But when it starts to deteriorate, that’s when you’ve got an issue.

www.epa.gov

(Local construction manager here) I do a lot of medium to large scale work, and schools/colleges being a large chunk of my resume.

Can you elaborate on your question? Are you asking if there are regulations about asbestos existing in your building? Are you asking what to do if it’s exposed?

To expound on your 2nd part of the post; asbestos is not a safety issue until it is airborne. The fibers are released when actively disturbed, usually during demolition. So as long as you aren’t actively smashing stuff, you don’t need to “update records about the asbestos”, it’s not going anywhere anytime soon. You are even allowed to sell property that has asbestos in it.

Safely removing asbestos material, is called “Abatement”. There are many licensed companies to can be hired to safely remove the material, but keep in mind, surgically removing asbestos is often more expensive than just saving up money and renovating/gutting the entire space.

As to what “tiles with white stuff exposed” means, you need to be more specific. That could mean anything.

Typical locations where you’d find asbestos are; popcorn ceiling, sealants like caulking, MEP insulation, steel fireproofing, and the list goes on. There are also testing companies that test and give reports on what materials the find are contaminated, or as we say “Hot” in construction terms. But it sounds like your school already had that done.

I’ll end with reiterating, asbestos is not a problem until it becomes airborne. So don’t go smashing stuff up and tearing things apart and you’re fine.

If it smells bad, then maybe some microbes got in which isn’t a great sign. However, just note that’s sprinkler system isn’t designed to “be nice”, it’s designed to save lives. Clear water or nice smelling water is the least of their concerns.

It was a ground up new building right? They definitely wouldn’t save materials from an older building. That’s asking for a world of pain and liabilities, plus it would just be burning money on labor costs to remove and save the piping rather than just a pure demo scope.

People often assume that renovations and reusing old materials means lower costs, but that’s often not the case. Older buildings means inheriting the wear and tear of decades of usage. Sure buying an older used car can save you some money, but if all the parts are nearing the end of their lifespan, you’re going to be shelling out insane amounts of cash just replacing parts as they fail one by one.

The pipe broke in half? Or the sprinkler head broke? Those are two very different cases of workmanship. The sprinkler heads are pretty easy to snap off. And they’re designed to be replaceable after the fusible link melts from an “event”.

Sprinkler water is often black because of the oxygen and steel piping reacting. Systems are *supposed to be flushed every year or so (but as a contractor that builds a lot of these schools and universities I can tell you that most of them neglect this essential maintenance task).

If its black and smells terrible that’s a sign of microbes getting in, but that takes awhile to get going and not something I’d expect from a brand new installation.

I’ve done work on many of the newer buildings in that area of downtown and even I’m like “ew I don’t want this.” I’ve been hoping this goes away for years now.

It’s gonna look like garbage on the skyline imo.

Yea I was going to ask if this was for a business or something. 3000kwh is wtf levels of usage. Average for RI is what, 600ish? And 600 is reaaaaaal low in comparison to the rest of the country

Just to add; I was a homeowner at the age of 25 in RI and I’m 35 now. With zero outside help, just based on credit, job, and savings.

Just to elaborate on what the loan officer probably didn’t explain well enough.

The reason they won’t do a loan is because of your boyfriend. When two people apply for a loan, the bank heavily weighs their decision on the person of “lesser means” because of the “breadwinner” loses their job or can’t work anymore then the responsibility falls to the other co-signer. This includes that persons credit score. So even if you have a perfect credit score, if you apply for a loan with a person with a score of 400, the bank will ignore yours and focus on the lower one.

Banking isn’t too difficult to explain but it’s often overlooked in school. “I’m a bank” and “you’re a loan(mortgage) applicant”. You come to me asking to borrow my money to buy a house. Well I’m not going to give it to you for nothing, I’m going to attach some strings to it to make it worth my time (interest). And before I give you the money I need to consider “Is this person actually going to pay me back? Or are they going to run away with it or go bankrupt and lose my money I gave them?” That’s the reason why banks look at the person of lesser means, because if you have the better finances and suddenly get hit by a bus, now everything is on the other person and may not be able to keep up with repaying the loan.

Now what you can do, and this is risky from a personal standpoint; is you apply by yourself and your boyfriend just continues to feed money into your bank account. Basically remove your boyfriend from the bank’s calculation on “if they’ll get their money back”. It is a great risk because your boyfriend will develop zero equity in the house but you have the option to add them to the mortgage or deed later on. (Don’t do the mortgage until they’ve developed their credit, and financial stability, otherwise you just end up in the same position in the bank’s eyes)

Parts of it the govt, yea they’ve got a checked past. The topic of the OP and context of the situation was about voting tho.

So the corruption dig on the end their either alludes to:

1. The govt rigged the election for Diossa
2. The people are in on a scheme and cheated Diossa into office

Both of which are dumb assertions to just toss in at the last second. I think it’s pretty much just tribalism that probably got Diossa in. He just had that (D) marked next to his name. I vote primarily Democrat but I at least read up on candidates beforehand and recognize that not all (R) are maga heads. Some are just conservative people that deserve some talking to.

You had me nodding until that last sentence.

Same

It’s not actually “underground”. The area was a hill, so they built the parking garage on the grade and then the buildings on top of that.

It’s that whole appeasement / don’t tolerate the intolerant philosophy. Eventually you gotta draw a line in the sand that says; do not cross.

If you appease a bully, are they really incentivized to stop their behavior? They just got what they wanted by being a bully, why would they stop if they can just keep doing it?

It is a very tenuous situation but eventually we gotta draw that line.