Dancing Monkey Boy Ballmer viral before there was youtube.

Not for what this thread is about. But admittedly wages would come into it. So how about we say instead, there probably is a returning demand for late-evening non-bar locations for socializing, etc. Hopefully, these places will be providing a proper living wage to their employees.

Now that we're done trying to hijack via antiwork to the purpose of the thread:

Until the late 2000s, Pittsburgh was a very "close early" city. Outside of Bars, the city shutdown at 7 or 8pm. Anything that didn't involve drinking alcohol was closed. Downtown was DEAD. None of the bars existed on Penn Ave or 6th street (with a couple exceptions). But there was nowhere for anyone to go to socialize outside of a bar or a few restaurants.

We had exceptions as others have mentioned like The Beehive, The Hookah Lounge and other speakeasys where < 21 year olds could have something to do or others could have a place to socialize and mingle that wasn't overrun like South Side.

It took years for Pittsburgh to catch up with some of the "later night" crowds that had non-drinking alternatives and be a real city that could cater to people who had different hours and didn't conform to the 9-5 crowd.

Now everything seems to regressed back to like it was 10+ years ago.

The Catholic Church has really never been on the right side of history. It's been full of greed and is always self-serving, even if the Papacy presented otherwise.

The Civil Rights era was an anomaly.

They get moved around every time it floods.

Why go to Liberty Beer when Penn Ave Beer is right next door?

What you're failing to tell people is how neglected The Produce Terminal was by the URA before McCaffrey came in with all his promises. I doubt you actually stepped foot in there when it was a market. (Hint: it was a shithole)

So stop saying that it just failed. It couldn't attract businesses then because it was a bad investment for those businesses. It's a bad investment now because it's hilariously overpriced because the URA has a shitty history of going with developers who just want to gouge or take advantage of the older low costs to flip and sell.

Pre-redevelopment, the whole thing was setup to fail and be easy to shutter once a developer signed on to the project.

The building was falling into disrepair, the URA only offered month-to-month leases (not sure for how long it was, but the URA ran the building since the 1980s). So really, how does any business make at least a yearly plan or multi-year plan if the URA is going to suddenly not allow a lease renewal and you have to move your business?

Only parts of the building were open, probably only the parts that were structurally sound, so that if part of the building did collapse, nobody would be killed.

The whole thing was a joke 10+ years ago. That's why it failed.

u/PGHENGR

Chain stores are there because McCaffrey flat out lied to the URA and toyed with local businesses like White Whale while attracting chain stores

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/white-whale-allegations-only-part-of-ongoing-issues-with-the-terminal-development-project/Content?oid=19420979

• Mayweather Boxing + Fitness

Hurray, let's bring a women beater's business to Pittsburgh!

• Posman books

Oh, yeah, they had ice cream so an outside retailer won out over local retailers for that space. I remember that news article from a couple years ago.

Reminds of me of the South Side Works.

Take a right and side street it to Schenley / DL Library and skip all this madness.