FeatheryBallOfFluff

FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_jbpueas wrote

Given that musicians and billionaires still do meaningful work, even with all the money in the world, to me is proof that people won't just sit around and smoke all day.

For me personally, that would be hell. Like many people, I'm curious about the world and so helping build new machines, doing research on space, life or computers would still be interesting to me, and probably many others too.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j9cpg87 wrote

I find it worrying that people think people need to constantly have jobs, or "tHe rIcH wIlL rePlACe uS!". Can we finally just accept that with these massive improvements in efficiency and productivity, maybe, just maybe, we can devote a smaller part of our lives to work? The 40 hour work week is going on for 80 years now, despite the world being completely different from that pre world-war II, and our productivity increased at least 5 times.

The best thing that could happen is for AI to automate away most of the jobs, and yes that requires a different economy, and no, the rich won't throw you away. You can still vote for politicians. Stop watching so many movies.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j2d5zz0 wrote

There have been more investments and longer development times in battery tech than in hydrogen tech. I believe we should develop both. Who knows what amazing results hydrogen tech can achieve once it's fully developed? Perhaps once hydrogen tech is optimized, it can be synthesized from anywhere (say a boat on sea, or on the moon once water is found) and may provide a higher energy density than any other storage form (solid hydrogen storage is being investigated as it is). Perhaps rockets will make use of new hydrogen tech. Perhaps it can be used to create drinkable water in space, from non-drinkable components.

We should give it a chance before focusing only on batteries, as we would miss out on possible amazing tech by focusing only on batteries.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j0la1fw wrote

If you can't think of any scenario how that could work, I don't think there's any point in discussing this further with you.

But for the sake of the debate: if you want to move to Australia you have to be highly skilled and have a job lined up. Only then you move to Australia. If you at any point lose your job and your house, you could obtain a simple shelter (the bare minimum) to live and basic food (like an egg and some veggies and maybe supplements). Want beer? Work. Want to travel? Work. Want a bigger house? Work. Want drugs? Work. Want a car? Work.

By giving food, they can't use tax money to buy beer and be degenerates. They can't travel. They can survive though. That's good for worker conditions. Low wage slaves may not accept low wages, and hence their income rises, or they are automated away, until a job emerges that does pay well. It also gets rid of the homeless people issue.

Most people would hate an existance like that though, and would work to improve their situation.

I think those advocating against this stuff are ironically the ones barely paying taxes themselves (low wage slaves themselves that usually worry about those on benefits and immigrants while barely contributing to the state as it is).

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j0l6723 wrote

AIs can predict, but that isn't equal to understanding why or how it works. It's like being able to apply a very complex formula. You may know how to apply the formula, but may not understand why the formula is like that. Computers are good at finding correlations, but in an environment with little correlations, AI may have difficulty, as there is no number that indicates biological relevance.

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j0kykz1 wrote

Highly unlikely. A scientist still needs to guide AI to make it search in the right direction. You can tell AI "Find me the best binding proteins with this protein of interest, binding epitope X", and AI may find you the best one, but someone still has to do something with that information and how to apply it.

Then there is research on things that are hard for a robot to understand. A lot of research in ecology is barely significant, but biologically relevant. A human may understand why something is biologically relevant, AI as it stands now is uncapable of doing so.

What AI can do though, is optimize plant growth parameters, so energy requirements go down, while food security increases. So essentially, it would be possible to eventually feed the population with very little labour, and so we can focus on other tasks that further improve our lives (hint: science).

AGI as it stands, is decades, if not centuries away. But let's for a second assume it is, why wouldn't humans collaborate with AGI to find new scientific results?

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FeatheryBallOfFluff t1_j0kwtol wrote

Oh no, another non-expert thinking it knows exactly how things will work out. Most people would be pretty bored doing nothing at all with their lives. As long as people are curious, people will work on science, volunteer, build stuff and create stuff. That's why you see businessmen, rockstars, designers and other artists still work even if they have enough money to never work a day in their life again. People like to feel useful.

Also don't underestimate social pressure (what society thinks being "succesful" means)

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