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GOLDIEM_J t1_ja440e5 wrote

Another thing is no one thinks about Versailles logically, nor do the education systems ever encourage this. Compare it to Saint Germain, Trianon, Serves, Brest Litovsk, all of which are never taught in Western history classes but were arguably harsher than Versailles. Your teacher will never reveal to you that Russia LOST World War I. It's all "Germany lost the war, and they got blamed for everything." Versailles was actually quite lenient for its time. What made Versailles so difficult for the Germans to swallow is that it deprived them of their pride.

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GOLDIEM_J t1_j11tqwd wrote

I am fully aware that medieval Christians would've considered people from classical antiquity, such as Xerxes or Augustus, to have been historical as we do today. Are you saying that they would've thought of Iliad characters the same way? Did they consider the Trojan war to be a historical event only with theological/supernatural embellishments? Would they not have thought of it as a fringe religious text?

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GOLDIEM_J t1_j118z5x wrote

During the Middle Ages, many in Europe considered the Iliad to be a historical account (just as the ancient Greeks and Romans did.) The epic cycle is a pagan tradition, whereas most of Europe was Christianised throughout the middle ages. Why would Christian Europe hold this view of the pagan Iliad and Odyssey?

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GOLDIEM_J t1_iz9mwh4 wrote

My predicament is that during the first taifa period, Alfonso VI conquered Toledo and was quite close to unifying Spain under a tolerant and harmonious rule. But then came in the radical Almoravid and even more radical Almohad caliphates who practiced forced conversions and fed into the "us vs them" concept stereotypical of the reconquista. It could've been a unified, tolerant kingdom but instead turned out as the one religion "winning" over another one. How far do you agree with this?

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GOLDIEM_J t1_iskagtb wrote

You may have heard the statement that everything Henry VIII did and how he asserted his authority on those around him has come to be viewed as the epitome of the word "king." Dictator-like kings, as exemplified in the examples provided, is more or less what I mean. I remember looking at John, Henry VIII and the Civil War in history class, but other than that, I mean I can't help but feel that the curriculum is selectivist in what they prefer to teach. Not much about the Anglo-Saxon period or even that the Plantagenets also held large sways of France. But anyway, back to my question, do you understand it better now?

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GOLDIEM_J t1_isjjz81 wrote

By definition, "ancient" means everything before the Middle Ages, commonly understood as everything before 500 CE. So that includes ancient Egypt, Sumer, the Hittites, China, Greece and Rome, etc. On the other hand, when people mention "antiquity," they're generally talking about the period of ancient history circa 800 BCE to 500 CE. This is defined as the period coinciding with the Greco-Roman period, but it's important to note that there were other important developments going on in other parts of the world during this time as well.

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