That was just a one off study I found. There are numerous studies and sources. Pretty much every decent study and source suggests that they work.

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>A Collagen Supplement Improves Skin Hydration, Elasticity, Roughness, and Density: Results of a Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Blind Study
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>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31627309/

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>Studies show that collagen peptides may actually slow signs of aging by keeping the skin hydrated, which prevents wrinkles.
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>https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-do-collagen-peptides-do/

>Thats an important thing, it doesn't. Evidence doesnt back it up and neither do Biological mechanisms.

Studies actually do show that collagen peptides do work. That means your mechanistic understanding is wrong.

>The test product significantly improved skin hydration, elasticity, roughness, and density
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>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6835901/

Wasn't that genetic engineering to improve the genes rather than selecting from the "best" gene combo?

I think it's much better to just not use it and then check it once a month or so.

>People ate more, but that wasnt the fault of the meals.

I don't really know what you mean by "fault" here.

They established that one of the causal factors of how much someone ate was whether the food was ultra-processed or not.

So I would say it is partially the fault of the meals.

There is a reason why pretty much every health organisation and expert in the field say's to limit consumption of ultra processed foods.

>You should limit highly processed foods and drinks because they are not a part of a healthy eating pattern.
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>https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendations/limit-highly-processed-foods/

>No. Studies show that badly processed foods are bad.

There are multiple studies

>People eating ultra-processed foods ate more calories and gained more weight than when they ate a minimally processed diet, according to results from a National Institutes of Health study. The difference occurred even though meals provided to the volunteers in both the ultra-processed and minimally processed diets had the same number of calories and macronutrients.
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>https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-heavily-processed-foods-cause-overeating-weight-gain

People often get worked up about the additives and get worked into thinking that all added sugar/oil are evil. But I think a better view is simply that ultra processed foods are bad, and not to worry about the macros.

So if you want to be healthy, you don't need to go on a crazy extreme diet avoiding certain macros, just avoid ultra-processed foods.

>People eating ultra-processed foods ate more calories and gained more weight than when they ate a minimally processed diet, according to results from a National Institutes of Health study. The difference occurred even though meals provided to the volunteers in both the ultra-processed and minimally processed diets had the same number of calories and macronutrients.
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>https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-finds-heavily-processed-foods-cause-overeating-weight-gain

Studies show that when controlling for macros, people eat more of processed foods.

So yes, you would expect switching from processed foods to unprocessed foods, would help you lose weight.

Studies show that ultra-processed foods are bad, even when macros are controlled.

So I'm guessing this is just some kind of proxy measure to determine if it's processed vs unprocessed food.

Seems like an unnecessary risk to the baby, but I guess if the parents and doctors are fine with it, then it's up to them.

>This is false. Depression is linked to exercise, sleep, and diet but they are don't cause major depreesion.

Source?

>You can have great sleep, diet, and exercise habits and still develop major depression which increases your inflammatory markers.

I agree

>Lesser forms of depression can get better with or even treated with working out and better sleep but not major depression.

In your post you keep on referring to different forms of depression.

Major depressive disorders is just the name for basic normal depression. All the other types are worse or specialist types of depression.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9290-depression

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>platelet-to-lymphocyte ratio is one of the biomarkers for inflammation. Exercise, sleep, and diet don't affect that ratio. Only major depression does. Your assumptions are wrong here.

Seems like exercise does acutely effect the ratio.

>Compared to NLR, far less evidence is available on the PLR in the context of exercise. Of the five studies investigating the impact of acute exercise on the PLR, three showed increased values post-exercise, indicating an inflammatory response
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>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8192383/

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>It doesn't mention the type of depression and it only REDUCES not completely treats major depression.

Again major depression is the normal basic depression everyone is talking about. If it was some other type they would specify.

The current view is nothing "cures" depression. So pretty much every study will just talk about treating it.

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>Treatment vs. cure
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>When someone is cured from an illness, it means it’s gone forever. Some illnesses can’t be cured—like diabetes. Once a person gets diabetes, they’ll have it for the rest of their life. But even a lifelong illness like diabetes can be treated. People who take their medications regularly and make some lifestyle changes can live long and healthy lives. These medications and lifestyle changes are treatments for diabetes.
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>Depression is the same way. There’s no cure for depression, but there are lots of effective treatments. People can recover from depression and live long and healthy lives.
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>https://screening.mhanational.org/content/depression-curable/

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>Meds are needed in many cases especially for major depression due to chemotherapy. You sound like you're playing doctor.

Sure people can use meds. It's like when I cut myself, I might take a painkiller. While it isn't fixing the underlying issue, it does help.

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>The fact that you would post stuff that doesn't prove your point and yet be too illiterate to understand what you are reading is wild

You are the one who thinks that "major" depression is like some super duper serious form of depression, rather than just the medical name for basic clinical depression.

You are the one who doesn't know that every study on depression treatment will just talk about treating it rather than curing it.

I'm not sure they actually looked at some of the more important factors, exercise, diet and sleep.

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>Variables considered were as follows: age, sex, race, partner status, education level, employment status, and smoking history.
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>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0282206

We know that depression is linked to exercise, sleep and diet. The actual mechanisms aren't clear but it could be due to BDNF, increased microcondrial health, brain volume, blood flow, anti-inflammatory, etc.

So it might be that depression is just correlated to poor survival rates, where the actual causal factors are sleep, diet and exercise.

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In this paper they focus on inflammation.

>“Depression should not be discounted. This study shows the strong link between depression and inflammation, with both related to poor outcomes
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>https://news.osu.edu/depression-linked-to-deadly-inflammation-in-lung-cancer-patients/

Which lines up with the fact exercise, sleep and diet all act as anti-inflammatory.

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>just one session of moderate exercise can also act as an anti-inflammatory.
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>https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/pages/2017-01-12-exercise-can-act-as-anti-inflammatory.aspx#:~:text=The%20study%2C%20recently%20published%20online,an%20anti%2Dinflammatory%20cellular%20response.

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Since reddit has a hard on against, sleep, diet and exercise here are a few relevant studies demonstrating the link to depression.

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>Aerobic exercises, including jogging, swimming, cycling, walking, gardening, and dancing, have been proved to reduce anxiety and depression.3 These improvements in mood are proposed to be caused by exercise-induced increase in blood circulation to the brain and by an influence on the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis and, thus, on the physiologic reactivity to stress.3 This physiologic influence is probably mediated by the communication of the HPA axis with several regions of the brain, including the limbic system, which controls motivation and mood; the amygdala, which generates fear in response to stress; and the hippocampus, which plays an important part in memory formation as well as in mood and motivation.
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>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470658/#i1523-5998-8-2-106-b3

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We have studies showing that exercise is just as if not more effective as medicine and therapy in treating depression

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>University of South Australia researchers are calling for exercise to be a mainstay approach for managing depression as a new study shows that physical activity is 1.5 times more effective than counselling or the leading medications. https://www.unisa.edu.au/media-centre/Releases/2023/exercise-more-effective-than-medicines-to-manage-mental-health
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>In conclusion, PA is effective for improving depression and anxiety across a very wide range of populations. All PA modes are effective, and higher intensity is associated with greater benefit. https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2023/03/02/bjsports-2022-106195
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>Four trials (n = 300) compared exercise with pharmacological treatment and found no significant difference (SMD -0.11, -0.34, 0.12). From https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24026850/
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>Running therapy and antidepressant medication had similar effects on mental health (remission and response rates). https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032723002239>
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>The mechanisms underlying the antidepressant effects of exercise remain in debate; however, the efficacy of exercise in decreasing symptoms of depression has been well established https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC474733/

Exercise has massive effects on mitochondria, which might be partly a mechanism in relation to depression.

>Mitochondria Linked to Major Depression in Older Adults https://today.uconn.edu/2023/02/mitochondria-linked-to-major-depression-in-older-adults/#>

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Sleep, exercise and depression are all linked to brain volume

>Conclusion: Our results suggest that lower CV fitness and exaggerated exercise BP and HR responses in middle-aged adults are associated with smaller brain volume nearly 2 decades later. Promotion of midlife CV fitness may be an important step towards ensuring healthy brain aging.
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>https://n.neurology.org/content/86/14/1313.short?rss=1
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>This study shows that a more severe and chronic lifetime disease course in MDD is associated with reduced volume in brain regions relevant for executive and cognitive functions and emotion regulation in a large sample of patients representing the broad heterogeneity of MDD disease course. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/da.23260>
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>We found that longitudinal measures of cortical atrophy were widely correlated with sleep quality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4162301/

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>A better diet quality is associated with larger brain tissue volumes.
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>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29769374/

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>The diet may have a significant effect on preventing and treating depression for the individual. A diet that protects and promotes depression should consist of vegetables, fruits, fibre, fish, whole grains, legumes and less added sugar, and processed foods. In the public health nurse’s preventative and health-promoting work, support and assistance with changing people’s dietary habits may be effective in promoting depression. From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084175/

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>Current evidence supports the finding that omega-3 PUFAs with EPA ≥ 60% at a dosage of ≤1 g/d would have beneficial effects on depression Https://www.nature.com/articles/s41398-019-0515-5

Sleep is really important, if you aren't sleeping properly you have have a tenfold higher risk of depression,

>People with insomnia , for example, may have a tenfold higher risk of developing depression From https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/depression-and-sleep-understanding-the-connection

>The Guardian also has a bit of a reputation for transphobia

You know what, the word "transphobia" has completely loss all meaning with the way it's just basely thrown about.

It's like the boy who called wolf.

>Odd. I provided a direct link to the actual report, yet you seem to be quoting from a BBC news piece here...and after I named how suspicious it was the Zizek did the very same.

If the article is quoting directly from the person who wrote the report or from the report itself I don't see the issue.

Anyway here is a similar quote directly from the report you linked.

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>Primary and secondary care staff
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>have told us that they feel under pressure
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>to adopt an unquestioning affirmative
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>approach and that this is at odds with the
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>standard process of clinical assessment
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>and diagnosis that they have been trained
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>to undertake in all other clinical encounters
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>https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/

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>I'd encourage everyone to read the report for themselves.

Sure, if people believe the BBC is lying they can also do something similar and look up those points from the report itself.

Edit: The interim report clearly mentions failings. Anyone who actually reads it should be in no doubt that Tavistock was shut down partially for it's failings rather than solely because it was oversubscribed.

When they say stuff like the following, that sounds fairly unbiased and objective.

>The NHS gender identity service’s own data shows that 96 per cent of children

Also it's strange to treat all major press including far left media as having an anti-trans bias.

The words anti-trans and transphobic are just thrown around soo much that they have lost all meaning. So when you say that all British media are anti-trans, I have no idea if they actually are anti-trans or if they used some facts you don't like.

Isn't this just what the right do, pretend any news they don't like is fake news?

>Specifically she found it to be "boring, unoriginal, dishonest, and lazy."

That's just name calling, not actually engaging with his arguments.

The whole article just felt like someone who got angry and emotional and hence just nit picked, and used name calling as a response rather than rationally engaging with what Zizek said.

Also the term transphobic is just going to lose all meaning with the way it's just thrown about so loosely without good reason.

>The Tavistock was closed down for, essentially, being oversubscribed. The interim report goes into more nuanced detail, of course.

That's just seems like a misleading retelling of history.

If it was solely just closed for being oversubscribed, wouldn't it make sense to wait until the replacement centres were set up first.

Let's look as statement from Cass who is writing the report.

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>Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust has been told to shut the clinic by spring after it was criticised in an independent review.
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>Dr Hilary Cass, said the Tavistock clinic needed to be transformed.
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>She said the current model of care was leaving young people "at considerable risk" of poor mental health and distress, and having one clinic was not "a safe or viable long-term option".
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>Dr Cass's report said there was a lack of understanding about why the type of patients the clinic was seeing was changing, with more female to male patients and more autistic children. Dr Cass also highlighted inconclusive evidence to back some of the clinical decision making.
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>But in 2020, questions about the service were raised after it was rated "inadequate" by inspectors,
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>In an interim report earlier this year, Dr Cass said:
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>The service was struggling to deal with spiralling waiting lists
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>It was not keeping "routine and consistent" data on its patients
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>Health staff felt under pressure to adopt an "unquestioning affirmative approach"
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>Once patients are identified as having gender-related distress, other healthcare issues they had, such as being neurodivergent, "can sometimes be overlooked"
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>She then suggested introducing local hubs, writing that the current provider model "is not a safe or viable long-term option".
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>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62335665

>This is so patently false, the rest of his commentary is brought into question.

I'm not sure you can blame him, it's what all the articles about Tavistock were saying, and it doesn't seem like they have retracted or corrected it.

I mean it sounds crazy, but isn't that why the Tavistock clinic was closed down?

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>Puberty blockers were given to almost all children sent for assessment by Tavistock clinic
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>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/20/puberty-blockers-given-almost-children-sent-assessment-tavistock/

>no argument was made that the self isn't important.

No it's worse, it's arguing that the self is an illusion.

>From the Buddhist perspective, the idea of ‘individual self’ is an illusion

> The OP is incoherent TO YOU

That's not the argument. The argument is that the whole article is talking about how the Buddhist definition of self doesn't make sense and how the self is an illusion. Hence the Buddhist definition of self is incoherent.

I mainly agree with the article that the Buddhist definition of self probably has no useful application in the world or your world view.

But that's fine since nothing hinges on the Bhuddisht idea of self, it's all based on materialist definitions of self.

>You're not arguing in good faith. You are arguing across a semantic and somatic chasm, one the OP is willing and able to bridge and you are not.

The op wants to use some incoherent definition of self which and doesn't exist.

The OP's whole point is that their definition of self is an illusion. I'm just agreeing but saying I don't use that definition, and that outside of Buddhism most people really use that definition.

If you use materialist definitions, you don't have any of the issues or confusion especially compared to the Buddhist definitions.

My question to you is how is it possible for the OP or you to put forth any kind of coherent argument for me to address when you use inherently incoherent definitions of self?

Isn't it guaranteed for some people to think I'm arguing in bad faith when discussing something using such an inherently incoherent definition. Isn't it guaranteed that someone will think I'm arguing semantics against something with an inherently incoherent definition?

This is reverse causation. Those people that are ill or have sleep issues like sleep apnoea need more sleep. If those people had normal amounts of sleep they would have even worse health outcomes.

This is just wrong, you can't get "too much" sleep. Once you've had enough sleep you wake up.

This is reverse causation. Those people that are ill or have sleep issues like sleep apnoea need more sleep. If those people had normal amounts of sleep they would have even worse health outcomes.

>Well, I don't think so, that collection of organic matter is called a person or individual. I have never heard people use "self" to refer to that.

I literally quoted a dictionary definition which referred to the "body".