Well yes. If you believe both transgender people and people with autogynephila exist at the same time, then a trans woman who masturbates to pictures of themselves is just a woman masturbating to pictures of themselves and likely just an odd thing people do regardless of whether they are trans or not. The trans woman is not being turned on by the fact they're presenting as a woman, they're likely getting the same satisfaction the cis woman is getting from doing it. No cis woman is looking at themselves and thinking "I look so much like a woman today" and getting off over it, they're obviously getting something else out of it. I assumed we were talking about photos, but it could be that they're getting sexual satisfaction by watching themselves masturbate in the mirror, which may just add some extra sensory gratification to the act for them, which is far more likely and has nothing to do with sex or gender. Someone with autogynephila doing this is being sexually stimulated directly from the fact they are dressed as the opposite gender/imagining themselves as the opposite gender.

But none of this thoroughly debunks autogynephila.

Thanks for the convo anyway, have a good day!

>AGP has been used as an explanation of gender dysphoria. That's what it is at its core. AGP in original theory and how it's been used has been used as an attempt to debunk someone's "transness".

I understand that autogynephilia has been used to discredit the validity of "transness" and I think that's nonsense. I believe both exist and are both as valid as each other. But that doesn't discredit the reality of autogynephilia. Just because a group of people feel invalidated by someone else's identity, it doesn't debunk the reality of their identity, does it?

>If AGP were actually a debunking of transness, then I guess many cis women are actually trans men.

And I don't understand how cis women who masturbate to pictures of themselves relates to this at all. If the woman were dressing up as men, taking photos and masturbating to the images of themselves dressed as male then I see how you would include it, but otherwise I don't see the correlation?

What? OK, I'm completely lost. So because there are cis women who masturbate to pictures of themselves, this debunks the belief that autogynephilia exists? This is a confusing af concept your posing to me as is, but if women are masturbating to pictures of themselves, they're not being sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as the opposite sex. It's a female masturbating to themselves while being female (which I find extremely odd, but can easily believe happens) so how does this debunk autogynephilia in any way?

I don't understand what you mean? Please explain.

Something can exist all over the world and still be rare. Like you can have a rare genetic disease that exists in almost every country of the world but is still extremely rare. But I feel like you're focusing on something I've already clarified and ignoring the actual point of my original comment.

Yeah it is what? I didn't say it wasn't rare. It very likely is. Many things are rare or unusual but exist all over the world.

OK, say the person who coined the term autogynephilia is wildly misguided in their understanding of the subject and is talking shit, which is clear. That doesn't debunk the reality that there are absolutely people who feel sexually aroused by the idea or image of themselves as the opposite gender and 'autogynephilia' is the word we all use to describe that fetish. Call it autogynephilia or call is something else but those people exist all over the world. So the theories of the person who coined the term have been thoroughly debunked, but the fact that people with that particular fetish exist everywhere absolutely hasn't.

Trans activists get their backs up over people with Autogynephilia as they believe its used as a means to discredit the validity of being transgender. Its kind of ridiculous to say a fetish doesn't exist and invalidate someone elses lived experience simply because you feel your own identify is being questioned by their mere existence. Both transgender people and people with autogynephila can and do exist. People can be experiencing one and mistake it for the other due to the overlap in symptoms and neither one discredits the validity of the other.

Well done OP. I'm glad you figured it out before making any permanent changes to your body you may have later regretted.