Yeah dawg, imma take that as a no

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Maybe you have trouble understanding me. I'll go to Fischer national forest. The nearest gas station is over 100 miles away. There is no one nearby. To get to the trail is a borderline off-road obstacle course. There is no taking a car and hiking in to the trail head. You have to drive 30 miles deep into the park. This is the middle of no where Utah. You understand not all locations are the suburban getaway your talking about correct? There's tens of thousands of different parks, forests, BLM lands in the united stated. You understand how each of them can be different, no?

> You can tell me you care about the environment all you want, but the fact you made literally the worst choice possible for your mode of transportation as an individual tells me you really don't care that much.

Are you able to comprehend that not all situations are black and white? How you can be a conservationist, in preserving the natural beauty our great nation has, while caring less so about CO2 output. I mean come on man. You can live totally off the grid, never burning a single particle of fossil fuels in your life, while being absolutely dwarfed on the global scale with the likes of China, India, and developing African Tribes and nations.

> If you are driving your vehicle to a national forest, you could easily do that in a smart car if you wanted to. I never implied public transit was a viable option for this.

My brother in Christ, why do you think I've lifted and put larger tires on my vehicle? Do you think these roads are paved? Have you ever left the city?

> For the majority of lifted pickup trucks it is entirely based on personal vanity

So what? People are vane. The co2 released by those trucks is nothing in the grand scheme of industry.

>That is an aftermarket decision by the consumer, and is completely unnecessary for any practical purpose that you mentioned.

Again, so what. You're mad that people modify their vehicles? It's unnecessary for anyone to drive anything but the most bland milk toast vehicles out there, but you know what, some people enjoy modifying their vehicles because it makes them happy. Let people have fun.

>You could easily hike out to the middle of nowhere and camp

I do. And I'd like to see what alternative there is. I have yet to hear about public transportation that can take me out to the Fischer national forest.

You seem like the type of person who is envious of others because they have more than you. Stop that. It's toxic to others and yourself. Stop caring what other people have, work on yourself

Customers don't necessarily demand larger trucks, manufacturers are building larger trucks, ironically because of environmental standards. Not just trucks, but all vehicles from civics to superduty Ford trucks. CAFE emissions standards allow a vehicle to produce more emissions based on its wheelbase and track width. Manufacturers produce longer, wider vehicles to help offset the billions of dollars each of them spend a year on R&D to produce more efficient power plants. It's also why every car Is a luxury car, with better margins to pay for the R&D and why cars are getting so godly expensive.

Farmers, construction workers, or people who just live in rural environments with shitty roads may need those trucks while still caring for the environment. Now there are some who drive giant suburbatanks through city streets. But if they dropped 100 grand on a car or other SUV. I guarantee you the efficiency will be nearly the same. Cars are an extension of yourself for a lot of people, all it is, is a choice of how they present themselves.

I drive a heavily modified jeep that I've built over the years, it gets piss poor gas mileage in comparison to modern cars, but I take it every weekend to the middle of nowhere and camp. Enjoying the natural environment and using the principles of Leave No Trace. Because I drive a lifted jeep, does that mean I don't care for the environment?

1 truck takes as many parking spots as any other car. You're arguing against all cars but hate trucks specifically because they have more than you. Make a anti car argument rather than a anti truck argument.

Regardless, cars are great. They give a personal freedom that public transportation is incapable of providing.

Yes, lifted trucks are what bulldozes forests. Those trucks getting are soooo much worse than corporations dumping their shit into our air and water