AI Art. Fingers all effed up 😂

My original comment was really analyzing an unlikely scenario of aligned narrow AI, or severely limited AGI with proper controls put in place to keep it at roughly human intelligence. This was in order to “play along” with the economic implications of enough robots for everybody to have their own robot. It would be a miracle if we end up here.

I’m not sure “countries” will be a thing after actual AGI.

Another facet of this is that the first country/organization to develop AGI rules the planet, if they can even align the thing. AGI is ASI because narrow AI is already superhuman in every narrow case.

AGI will fight wars, create super weapons, and make current super weapons obsolete, and it will be able to simulate thousands of years of human level research/effort in mere minutes or hours. And such a thing will almost definitely not be controlled by humans.

As Sam Harris says, sure it’s easy to outsmart your teenager. But if your teenager has 20,000 years to respond to your every move, you’re not going to outsmart your teenager. Now imagine what’s possible if that teenager is smarter than every human that has ever lived, combined.

Housing, food, education, healthcare, internet, electricity, and basic necessities should be free in such a super abundant society. Super yachts won’t be free, but they won’t necessarily be paid for with money. If you have enough robots, you can build anything you want. There’s a company building super yachts for the rich today, and they have about 1000 employees. With AGI, 10-100 robots could replace all of them and even literally mine in caves for raw materials if need be.

Realistically, only the owners of the means of production may still use “money” as money transforms into an IOU on robot energy. This way specialization can occur and some company could specialize in mining raw materials, another specialize on building super yachts, another specialize on building space ships, and the owners of these fleets of robots need “money” in order to trade raw materials and finished products with one another.

Someone once pointed out to me that in Star Wars, lots of people own their own personal space ship, but in Star Trek, nobody (in the Federation) owns their own space ship.

The humans who want to spend their lives getting jerked off in the Matrix by the lady in the red dress will have no political power, and own no means of production, but will be allowed to live their lives in peace and be provided for. They likely won’t have access to life extension technology. They likely won’t even have children, their sexual needs being met by AGI.

Some others will want an education, children, to explore hobbies, and to pursue exploring the solar system and they might endeavor to be part of an effort to colonize the solar system.

The Earth doesn’t have limitless amounts of elements: helium, gold, cobalt, nickel, lithium, etc. So such a society would naturally have to expand out to the solar system to sustain itself.

But let’s also not forget, that money requires violence. Literally the government says, you use this money to pay taxes or we kill you (ultimately, if you ignore fines, court orders, and resist arrest).

If we’re talking ending human labor, we’re also talking about ending money entirely, because money is an IOU on human labor. Or you could say money is an IOU on energy, so if you essentially have free limitless energy from the sun harvested by AI and robots, then money is worthless and we can transition to Star Trek communism.

Make no mistake, AGI kills capitalism and ushers in something new. It’s either techno-communism or techno-feudalism. You pick.

I completely agree with you. Trains are the most efficient mode of transportation humans have invented, but unfortunately an electric train company can never make as much money as Tesla because cars (and roads) represent “freedom.”

Also, despite the risk, people like the privacy of cars. You can fart and sing loud and lots of things you can’t do on a train.

People will take out debt to buy a car. Nobody takes a loan and pays it off over 5 years just to ride a train. So the banking industry heavily finances the auto industry.

So there’s money in trains, but there’s stupid money in cars. Companies follow the money, and there’s just too much money to be made in cars.

Very good point. For ChatGPT to actually be a powerful programming assistant, you actually already have to be a good enough programmer to know the technical terminology to tell ChatGPT what to do.

I remember my first EE course freshman year of college after earning a reputation as a “smart guy” my whole life and I was like “This is difficult enough to learn, but you’re telling me some madman just sat around and invented this, from scratch?!”

That’s when I learned the difference between above average intelligence and genius.

I have no mouth, and I must scream.

I should have clarified. I agree with Sam Harris when he explains that AGI is effectively ASI. AI are already superhuman in every narrow case, and with perfect memory. So when you create the first AGI, it will actually be smarter than any human that has ever lived.

So in your case, you wouldn’t have to worry about mining because the AGIs assigned to mining would be the best miners in history, better than any human could do it.

I agree. To look at it another way, money is time. Maybe time x energy.

Robots have infinite time and access to energy (ultimately from the sun), so money won’t be needed in a post-scarcity society where everything is abundant due to top-down robot vertical integration.

If the robots are aligned, and unconscious intelligence, then it’s without any ethical pitfalls, and we can have our Star Trek moneyless utopia.

But we’ll probably have WW3 first.

I’ll be a starship captain. We’ll spread life to the furthest reaches of the galaxy, and our descendants will evolve in various planets and have epic space wars with one another.

You mean better than the other aliens did? Fermi’s Paradox solved.