ManlyBeardface

ManlyBeardface t1_j473ly6 wrote

I've no issue with personal property, which consists of the things you make and use to life your life. Your house, you toothbrush, etc.

I oppose private property which is the ownership of factories, data centers, infrastructure, agricultural land, etc. I think that the capital that we use to make our society work should either be held in common between all people or shoudl be owned by the people who use it (the factory owned by the factory workers who make all the decisions regarding the factory using a democratic process that they themselves decide upon.)

I think that government is the result of a society where people are separated into classes (Capitalist/Worker, Noble/Commoner, Master/Slave) and it's fundamental purpose is to oppress one class in favor of another. Right now the govt. oppresses the 99% in favor of the 1%. I think that in order to get a a good and just society we will have to go through a transitional period called Socialism where the govt. will oppress the 1% in favor of the 99%. This is necessary because were talking about society reorganizing itself into a system where nobody has the sort of power that a billionaire capitalist has today. But to do that you have to be able to wield more power than the billionaire capitalist. So the solution to that is to gain control of govt. and use it's power to strip capitalists of theirs. Govt' housing and other govt. programs will be used initially to plug the gaping holes that Capitalism just ignores in society (hunger, homelessness, etc.)

Once people have a meaningful form of democracy and all their material needs are met we can start developing new ways of organizing society without the interference of people like Bill Gates and Elon Musk. Once we have a society where people are free to organize their lives the way the want then there will no longer be distinct classes in society and thus govt. will cease to serve any purpose. Society will still have to be organized and resources will need to be managed but it will not be necessary to have a state to do so. We will find a way forward together without the need for the coercive violence of states.

> Show me a place with a successful 100% socialist society that is not run by a totalitarian oligarchy.

Every attempt at socialism has been successful. That is why every socialist country has been attacked and punished in every way possible. Capitalists know that socialism works and therefore the govts. that serve them have to do all they can to interfere and ruin socialist countries so that people like you won't know how successful they have been.

Even your question is the result of those propaganda efforts. The very idea of a "100% socialist society" and "blended economies" are rhetorical tricks that are spread to prevent you from being able to conceive of how a socialist society would actually function.

I'll link some videos below for you to give you the chance to hear some ideas on the topic that are probably new to you:

Socialism for Absolute Beginners

Why Liberalism Won's Solve Anything

Is Capitalism Actually Efficient?

Why You Don't Actually Own Anything Under Capitalism

Why the US is Not a Democracy

Why It's So Hard to Imagine Life After Capitalism

Frankly the whole Second Though Channel is really excellent. He has tons of great stuff there.

This last video is meant to be educational but in a very entertaining and funny way so don't let the jokes and internet meme formatting distract you from the excellent points it makes: Debunking Every Anti-Communist Argument Ever

1

ManlyBeardface t1_j3gveku wrote

All the Scandinavians did was export the worst exploitation to the global south.

The evidence is pretty clear. Capitalism is poisoning the world and killing the human species. The evidence also shows that Socialism does the opposite.

Has Capitalism created amazing technological advancement? Yes. And it did it on a mountain of suffering and corpses. A system build on perpetual growth isn't a neutral thing, its a death cult.

Given that the past cannot be changed. I see no reason not to take the tech advancements andnuse them under Socialism to create a vastly more sustainable and humane world.

0

ManlyBeardface t1_j3flid2 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in So, what do we do? by seeyoubythesea

Sadly a lot if folks aren't even able to imagine another way. It makes sense though since capitalism isn't going to teach people how to replace capitalism.

Capitalism and the world it built is what created this problem and you are right; more of it won't change things. Our oligarchy was created to protect the system and those at the top of it and acting outside that system is the only thing that will bring meaningful change.

9