Always did consider a few years of a stint in Mass or Maine. However the developments after 2016 are kind of putting me off that. I think I'll wait and see how the next election goes before giving my final verdict on the US.

Yeah okay, sorry for stepping on so many sore American toes with that. I'll rephrase.

A USA that is desirable to live in

For instance, I've seen concerningly high metrics of republicans thinking the 2020 election was illegitimate and that they expect the Democrats to try to "steal" 2024 too. While being on board with the idea of taking up guns to "restore order" Then you also have the fact that a crapton of bills have gotten passed in swing states that either suppress voters or allow overturning of election results. And you have republicans on CPAC advocating for eradication of minority identities from public life while laws are being passed to do just that. And January 6th still hasn't led to any far-reaching consequences to any of the people behind it. Most of them are still in office even. Which could very well just embolden them to try to repeat it. I dunno, I just see things as democratically bleak and a high risk of either organised intimidation or mass riots cascading into guerrilla combat.

What happens if senate and WH get taken by a republican next election? Federal bans on abortion and being gay/trans? Do the policies even stay in the US or would the leader of the free world export them by any means necessary?

Where is your source?

I'm gonna need a source on that being a grassroots win

Yeah and see how much that pushback has helped?

Does the topic even matter when we're discussing how public opinion can be blatantly overrun?

Sure - but Roe vs Wade got overturned despite overwhelming nationwide support for abortion rights. Heck, banning abortion wasn't even an issue in elections on the federal or state level.

What are your thoughts on the mere fact that these things *are* being introduced? And where do you see the other social policy issues I mentioned going?

I'm not trying to be combative here, I am genuinely wishing to hear more optimistic perspectives than my own.

*"In Iowa, Republican legislators introduced a bill in January to expand the types of work 14- and 15-year-olds would be permitted to do as part of approved training programs, extend allowable work hours, and exempt employers from liability if these young workers are sickened, injured or killed on the job."*

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-labor-laws-violations

*"(22) As of 2022, at least 4 States tried to ban access to some or all contraceptives by restricting access to public funding for these products and services. Furthermore, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas have infringed on people’s ability to access their contraceptive care by violating the free choice of provider requirement under the Medicaid program."*

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/8373/text

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These are news I stumbled upon without even really looking. And I could find the sources for you in less than 10s of googling.

Why can't America have a "fascist" government?

Sure, but what if the next government is authoritarian fascist and forces even the most liberal states and areas to comply with things such as abortion bans, don't say gay et cetera? I frankly don't think this can be dismissed.

Certain states are literally having republicans legalize child labor and ban contraception while trying to ban gay marriage or simply being transgender.

Meanwhile cost of living crisis just keeps worsening. Yeah it sure is going great.

I actually live in one. However it's concerning to see how we literally take after american political discourse a few years after it plays out in the US.

Yeah, I was considering Canada a lot in my own ponderings. Bottom line I think would be two things in a hypothethical US going completely off the rails scenario:

• Does the US balkanize and/or wear itself down following a very possible civil war?
• Does right wing authoritarianism get exported to Canada to the point where democracy is eroded there?