New_Area7695

New_Area7695 t1_iwej46s wrote

And of course the vegan sock puppet accounts really went into overdrive on that now removed factory farming thread. Really looks bad when you get caught evading the post time outs, vote manipulating, and generally sock puppeting to harass people.

The accusations that eating meat is rape (yea one of the socks kept harping on this) and endlessly harassing people with it was sure something, or the lack of a retort to the mirror issue of abortion when a fetus has the potential to be a thinking human.

I'll edit this with my closing point since I decided to write up something seriously discussing it with one of the not-socks-puppets.

My last comment:

As someone who went through severe depression, having a wide variety of tasty food was one of the things that made that period of my life survivable (60-70+ hour work weeks month after month). Part of that was my own financial position being good enough to afford the luxury, and part of that was the ease of availability of that variety of food including meats.

Imagine telling a poor farmer picking strawberries all day (not me for the record) he can't have Al Pastor tacos when he gets home because pork is now exclusively the domain of the rich because we've outlawed efficient means of production of it like factory farms? He's just supposed to man up and eat his soylent? That's cruel on a level far beyond anything we do to the livestock because that animal can actually consider his place in the universe and how much it sucks.

Edit: and to retort to the "slaughterhouses are traumatic for the workers" argument that's been brought up in these comments: did you know there's only one way to skin a cat well? Veteranarians going through training have to practice skinning animals (among other trainings) to get over their revulsion to it and become desensitized to how horrible it is. It's the same for human doctors in their residency, a good friend had to tell a woman screaming at her that she was going to die in the next few days. They have to see horrible horrible shit to learn and perform their job. Trauma sucks, support structures for the workers are important. The thing is the workers actually internalize that trauma, it's part of being human, meanwhile you give a factory pig a corpse of its fellow and it will chow down on it, completely ignorant of whatever moral and ethical quandaries you try to ascribe to the animal.

Edit2: if your argument relies on comparing livestock to oppressing an other I don't care about your argument because it's based on a moralistic pretense that an animal is in the same league of consideration as a person. I'd rather we fully mechanized the slaughterhouses so less humans are involved personally.

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