Talk to most people here and they say sending anyone to make a moon base is a waste of money, and Mars would never be terraformed no matter how much time passes.

None of these things are actually useful, except camouflage. It's entirely pointless and wasteful to make space missions. The Apollo program was a waste of money.

"Claiming" that's the important part. Claiming.

It was originally thought we would land on mars in the 80s

It's a big assumption that most jobs will be automated, and even if they do there will simply be new jobs. For example, see what happened when ATMs became a thing.

I see your point. I just don't see any threat.

25 weirdos vs. A few thousand weirdos. It's only the scale that's different.

Germany also had a coup attempt recently, but it doesn't mean anything.

We've had some form of democracy for nearly 250 years, I don't see us losing it anytime soon.

Because we are a strong democracy, worse we could possibly get is a slightly authoritarian democracy, so basically just a slightly worse Trump.

First, America can't have a "fascist" government, and a party like the Republicans are typical in all but Western Europe. Second, any left wing revolt against a right wing government would hardly get off the ground, because the military will just side with whoever is president currently.

There is no possibility of a civil war, any suggestion otherwise is either foreign propaganda or right wing propaganda.

Yeah, saying gateway will launch in 2024 is pure fantasy.