Potential_Limit_9123 t1_j7qknz0 wrote

Don't get too excited. There are many problems with those, including if you test from 2 different locations you get 2 results; test from same location but send to 2 companies, you get 2 results; the actual biome may not be the same as your results.


Potential_Limit_9123 t1_j1afdd2 wrote

That's how you do it. You create a diet that almost no one in the Mediterranean actually eats, then you can just manipulate the diet so that the "Med" diet always meets whatever your goals are.

What it's supposed to be is lower fat, higher fish, lower "red" meat, usually involving copious amounts of olive oil for some reason. Has no basis in reality.


Potential_Limit_9123 t1_j0dmrv0 wrote

That's not anyone. That person is a LMHR (lean mass hyper-responder). His LDL went from 225 on "normal" diet to 280 eating fewer calories and to 190 eating higher calories. (And they discuss 20+ people with similar results.)

Not only does this provide evidence of the LEM (lipid-energy model), but it also shows how variable LDL is. I've had LDL change in 3 days. (Fasting 4.5 days caused my LDL to increase significantly; eating high calorie, high saturated fat -- cups of cream -- caused my LDL to plummet.)

And it is yet more evidence that eating higher saturated fat can DECREASE LDL, not increase it.


Potential_Limit_9123 t1_iu0gw26 wrote

Bummer. I've been keto since 1/1/14 and started IF and long term fasting about 1.5 years late. I wonder, when does this stop being a "fad"?

Even when I started keto, I ate 5+ meals/snacks a day, as that's what we're taught to do. When I started fasting, I initially tried butter in my coffee, then skipped lunch. Then I tried skipping breakfast. That was 5+ years ago, and I haven't eaten breakfast unless we're on vacation since then.

I typically eat two meals a day. When I fast lately, I fast about 32 hours, exercise about 1-2 hours, then eat a few hours later. Eating 2-3+ hours after exercise is my normal now.


Potential_Limit_9123 t1_itrrcwp wrote

If they really wanted to do something, they could have created three arms and had people exercise for different levels (and maybe throw in a non-exercising group). Until then, healthy user bias rears its ugly head.