The freemium pizza.

Scrumptious.

Trollface (real)

I like how cocaine has basically zero positive effects on an individual and the people around said individual, yet it's idealized by the elite or people who want to be elites who think it's a sign of status.

Dipshits.

These posts tend to be tone deaf because they are almost always created by individuals residing in a wealthy developed consumerist nation.

This is no exception.

No offense but what the fuck does berserk have to do with anything

It honestly sounds like you just wanted to talk about it and needed an excuse

I'm not, in fact I mentioned in other comment reply chains to my original comment that consumerism is the ultimate problem, not China specifically. US has consumerist demands, China fulfills them by whatever means necessary. It's all fucked.

Technically nothing is permanent since everything changes, dies, erodes, etc. given a long enough timescale. But I digress, yes, technically what we've done is reversible, but like your source claims, it would take an insane amount of time to reverse what we've done. That time estimate hinges entirely on humanity ceasing all excess carbon emissions at once, meaning the amount of time it would take to reverse the effects grows larger with each day of carbon emissions pumped into our atmosphere. I hope you're arguing in good faith, because if you are, you'd agree with me that in our current economy, we're not going to just suddenly stop burning coal, gas, oil, etc.

"Because of the glacial pace at which natural carbon sinks absorb CO2, much of the carbon dioxide humans have emitted over the past centuries will remain in the atmosphere for many years to come. This will be true even if humans were to stop emitting all greenhouse gases tomorrow—the planet would need hundreds or thousands of years to cleanse all the excess CO2 people have pumped into the atmosphere during the industrial era."

Not only does this have absolutely nothing to do with the ice caps, this further supports my argument that what we're doing to the planet is basically permanent. The timescale to undo what we've done is hilariously beyond any human lifespan, and it hinges on the impossibility of all carbon emissions ceasing simultaneously.

Please tell me how we can refreeze the ice caps.

There's several comment reply chains to my original comment that explain my stance on both things you mentioned.

Exactly, consumerism is increasing, not decreasing. The west demands more and more, so China must produce more and more, for cheap, polluting their part of the world exponentially. It's like an ouroboros. Both superpowers are equally at fault for the state of our planet.

Again, bizarre that their carbon emissions are *INCREASING* if their alleged coal usage is going down.

Bizarre how their carbon emissions continue increasing then, despite that.

Initially I did, yes, but I'm realizing China's per capita value for carbon emissions is about half that of the US

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/
Worth nothing that China produces double the amount of CO2 emissions than the second highest, that being the US.

What does that matter? They still pump more carbon into the atmosphere than any other country when adjusted for population size. A whopping 70% of their energy is produced via nonrenewables, mostly Coal in this case (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/pgglqi/oc_chinas_energy_mix_vs_the_g7/). It's done this way to produce goods as cheaply as possible to meet the consumerist demands of the west.

I agree completely. China is no more at fault than the United States. The system itself is killing our planet, and it won't stop unless we all consume less.

I want to have hope.

I hope you realize that investing in renewables hardly means anything even if the rate of increase in China's carbon emissions is decreasing. The actual amount dumped into the atmosphere is still increasing regardless. The damage has and is still being done. It's permanent.

Actually, their carbon neutrality claim is for 2060, not 2030. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/world/asia/china-climate-change.amp.html

Which means their 2030 claim is quite literally just saying carbon emissions might stop rising by 2030. No promises. The ice caps are already melting, by 2060 there will hardly be any left.

Take a look at figure 1 in this source:

https://www.eurasiareview.com/06092022-china-energy-profile-worlds-largest-energy-consumer-to-see-increase-in-demand-analysis/

Blame consumerism. It's destroyed our planet.

Considering they are increasing carbon emissions while simultaneously investing in wind energy, yes I think that refutes what you claim. The goal for China is not less carbon emissions. They are trying to achieve carbon neutrality, and within that goal they stated their carbon emissions will 'peak' before 2030. Which means they will continue increasing carbon emissions into the forseeable future, likely until the last second in 2030.

Source: https://climatechampions.unfccc.int/chinas-net-zero-future/

The damage has already been done, hun, and the trend for the past 40 years has been constant carbon emission growth despite any and all promises to rely more on renewables. The data doesn't lie.

Investing in more renewable energy hardly means anything if they are increasing carbon emissions simultaneously.

Actually, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2022, China's carbon emissions have been steadily increasing as of 2021.

Source: https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/energy-economics/statistical-review/bp-stats-review-2022-full-report.pdf

Page 12, in the carbon emissions table, near the bottom.

Actually, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2022, China's carbon emissions have been steadily increasing as of 2021.

Source: https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/energy-economics/statistical-review/bp-stats-review-2022-full-report.pdf

Page 12, in the carbon emissions table, near the bottom.